Computer with W8.1 out

[Chiron]

learn new
if we all saved old ............we still talking latin

Of course you must learn the new thoroughly, it's the only way to decide advisedly if you want to keep it or...  :dustbin:

Yes, I tried conscientiously the brand new steam-powered MS-W10 car they put on the market lately. The one that every so often runs to the workshop on its own for repair without asking. The one that sends to the manufacturer everything about where you go, who steps in and when, how many red lights you run, and a lot of other things that will help improving the service. The one that will automatically kick out potentially untrusted passengers.
But unfortunately the old car stereo wouldn't fit in, nor would the DVD player, nor the good old navigator - however the baby seat would cause no problem.
Maybe had it been a little faster and had it allowed me to decide where to go, I'd have even bought one... but like this it occurred to me that perhaps I liked better my good old Ford XP on petrol and stayed with it.
Not because I didn't learn the new. Quite the opposite actually... 

[Aelin]

For my last year in Latin, yes it was worse than French. I never understood for why I lose it in 2 months

When I had the computer, it proposed in end of july of start of August to update toward W10. I refused, but the pack was between stuff downloaded on computer. And after the W10 pack was in standby on laptop, tada! McAffee temporary antivirus became a virus.
I cleaned everything, but yes, updates weren't the priority after that.

Advantage with W8 is you can choose when you update, and what you update at the end. Just with code names of packs, it could take more time on this party - but worth the case.
With W10, I can't choose if I want or not it check for updates. And that is one of the huge CPU problem.

[Aelin]

Before dinner, I read a bit on after the boot with an USB; I found finally some topics with this kind of pictures

Some people have the option of safe modeafter Parameters. Is it the way I could use if never... ?

I saw also a lot use in place the actualization of computer, but that remove applications from hard drive (and is only available if we have the installation CD?)   I guess that remove also all files inside runtimes of Poser and DS? I understood it will remove browser, which a bit annoying for preferences of sites, but I can do with that.

[Aelin]

I just want to take news on that before to go further, to be a little more ready when the moment will come. Imagine a sieve, and the needed time to fix the holes  I must enter a maximum in brain before everything.

[rrkknight3]

We're guessing that the physical disk or the electronics in the laptop's hard drive has started to fail or is failing.  For this reason, no software fix is likely to help. 

Under these circumstances, it's best to save the files from your computer before exploring other possibilities.  If we're wrong, then all that has been wasted is some time.  If we're right, at least you'll still have all of the files that were on the laptop.

[rrkknight3]

I just want to take news on that before to go further, to be a little more ready when the moment will come. Imagine a sieve, and the needed time to fix the holes  I must enter a maximum in brain before everything.

Ah, I see.  We're just trying to help you keep your work from being lost.

[Aelin]

I know it's to help me.
It's just for the moment I don't understand how it's possible to reach files from that kind of 'blue screens'. Seems to me being a lot of "no trepassing" ways (fortunately it's not the case of our corridors to escape the nurse  ).

[Chiron]

Aelin, are you perhaps neglecting your mailbox? :smile:

I agree 101% with rrkknight3: the less you tamper with your (presumably) faulty laptop, the greater the chances to recover most or all of your files. "Ex falso sequitur omne" used to say St. Augustin (speaking of Latin... :winks:) - you never know what to expect of a computer gone nuts - it might as well extend the damage.

And once more in perfect synch with rrkknight3: sometimes the software can perform magic, I agree, but if a couple of times I saw a wrong software damage the hardware, I never, ever, saw one fix it. Of course you may try, but it is much safer if you wait until your data are safely duplicated on a healthy drive.

[rrkknight3]

I know it's to help me.
It's just for the moment I don't understand how it's possible to reach files from that kind of 'blue screens'. Seems to me being a lot of "no trepassing" ways (fortunately it's not the case of our corridors to escape the nurse  ).

The trick that we're going to use is to start the laptop not from the hard disk inside the laptop case but from another storage device.  It is possible to have an operating system like Windows on a USB stick.  And it's possible to ask the laptop to start up from the USB stick.  That's what this Windows PE thing that Chiron is describing -- another Windows like system that will be able to read any data that is still readable from the laptop's hard disk.

I realize that having these explanations in English rather than French may be making it harder to understand.  I initially tried to translate it to French.  When I translated what I had back to English, it seemed like .  I had a good laugh but I don't think that it would have helped.

[Chiron]

Well, that's an idea: let's try in my rusty French - Aelin, please do the possible and the impossible to forgive me all those errors and to extract the meaning :smile:

Ç'est pas sûre lire tes fichiers avec un sistéme d'exploitation monté sur un disque dur compromis: il pourrait aggraver la situation et effacer encore plus de donées. Beucoup plus sûre serait-il les lire avec un autre sistéme d'exploitation indépendant, possiblement monté sur une clé USB, de façon qu'il ne faille pas de demontér le disque dur. Aussi on peut lire les donnée avec la CPU du laptop mais sans risque que le sistéme d'exploitation sur le disque dur compromis puisse faire quelquechose du mal.
IMO WinPE est précisément le systéme dont tu as besoin - le seul probléme est comme et d'oú le télechargér, mais j'ai eu une idée dont je t'ai écrit il y a quelques heures...

Er... forgive my French!