How-To's twixt DS and Poser

[Aelin]

Oh take your time, i need to end to take packs on RDNA, and this takes more time than i though    

[McGrandpa]

They made the promo on the Daz newsletter also. But to have G3F, you need to install her DS4, no? So why use Poser 11 in these conditions?
Any case i have Poser 10 like guys, so i'm not concerned.

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Edit (11:05AM here) : i look a little more on Renderosity, and many people can't use the pack, because G3F is invisible.

The invisible thing;  I think it means they could have more than one DATA folder.  For any of these things to work, even for DSON to work right, it is needful that there be only ONE DATA folder.  And the best place I have found for that is in the same folder with the Runtime folder.  So there are four at the same level:  Content, DATA, Runtime and ReadMe's.  All the SUPPORT folders get dropped into ReadMe's.  And this scheme works well so far for three Poser Pro's and DS 4.8 Pro.  And my 34 RUNTIMES total, on a single 1 TB HD.

I like using Poser.  I love Posers interface.  It's easier to get around the program, easier to get a view I like, and the DOTS make life much easier.  Studio doesn't have any dots that remember settings.  Studios interface is different enough that I have yet to figure out how to manipulate its cameras.  That is a critical function for sure.  Its lighting and shadows are kinda cryptic, to me, difficult to work with.  SO.  Once I set up a Figure I like in Studio that is not usable in Poser, I will make it usable in Poser or never use it.  I now have V7 and Livia in Poser.  To accomplish this means I have one or two days of uncomfortable chores to do.  But that is necessary to use some Studio ONLY items.  Now, since DSON isn't supporting that Genesis 3 level of stuff, I have to export EVERY item FOR V7 and Livia or just use them naked and parent hair to them like a simple prop.  But I would rather do that than be forced to use Studio all the time.   Which I cannot get the main viewport to look like I want it to for day to day use.  Seems that simply is not possible with Studio.  So, I keep right on using Poser.  Easy, yeh?  :o)
And still, for 12 years now, I keep DS installed and usable on my system.  I mean hey, it's a FREE program right?   

[Aelin]

Except for my discovery of today with G2Jessi, or with characters of Generation 4, i prefer work in the program of base for characters. Less memory used for the computer.

For camera, look the picture behind:

- triagle with lines is to check options of what you want on the scene (floor, frame, cube control...)
- arrow and circle under, it's for the rotation in all directions (even upside down); better when you have a target selected in your hierarchy editor. Keep pushing the left button of cursor and move the cursor.
- 4 directional arrows are to go left/right/up/down only. Keep pushing the left button of cursor and move the cursor.
- Keep pushing the left button of cursor and move the cursor to zoom or go back.
- When you have a target selected in hierarchy, + in the "square" allows you to zoom on your target directly.
- the arrow in the circle backs you in the Perspective place at the beginning of scene.
- Oh and the colored square at side is the same than "arrow and circle", to go in all directions.

Hoping understand you for cameras, because it's not my day to understand

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[McGrandpa]

Oh take your time, i need to end to take packs on RDNA, and this takes more time than i though    

I have bought fewer items at RDNA than the other two main stores.   And I do keep all the zip files backed up, ready to use on optical disks.  As I get stuff and installed, it then goes to a hard drive just for archive of stuff, then to bluray disks.

[Aelin]

I have bought fewer items at RDNA than the other two main stores.   And I do keep all the zip files backed up, ready to use on optical disks.  As I get stuff and installed, it then goes to a hard drive just for archive of stuff, then to bluray disks.

I have many packs on my external already, but i haven't time to to a sort for the moment. It's more fast to download all and put in a separated folder. When i'll have more time, i'll look to sort this.

[McGrandpa]

Except for my discovery of today with G2Jessi, or with characters of Generation 4, i prefer work in the program of base for characters. Less memory used for the computer.

For camera, look the picture behind:

- triagle with lines is to check options of what you want on the scene (floor, frame, cube control...)
- arrow and circle under, it's for the rotation in all directions (even upside down); better when you have a target selected in your hierarchy editor. Keep pushing the left button of cursor and move the cursor.
- 4 directional arrows are to go left/right/up/down only. Keep pushing the left button of cursor and move the cursor.
- Keep pushing the left button of cursor and move the cursor to zoom or go back.
- When you have a target selected in hierarchy, + in the "square" allows you to zoom on your target directly.
- the arrow in the circle backs you in the Perspective place at the beginning of scene.
- Oh and the colored square at side is the same than "arrow and circle", to go in all directions.

Hoping understand you for cameras, because it's not my day to understand

Aelin, I just have to USE DS 4.8 more than I have been.  Plus now I have a new version of Poser Pro to learn.  PLUS now there is this new good thing to explore and exploit, which means I learn more about both my programs.  Many people have and use BOTH DS and Poser together, no preference of one over the other.  That is great and what I want for myself!

[McGrandpa]

How do I get DS 4.8 to render the whole visible Viewport where I am working?  I can get every other program to do that, so Studio must be able to.  How?
In the example image of my desktop a minute ago, it is the orange tinted area I wish to render ALL of.
TIA!

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[McGrandpa]

Have you tried the Genesis 3 Poser Updater yet? I'm itching to find out from a friend or two how well it works.

Hey I thought I'd already answered this, must have been something else.   Yes, I got it working and have been able to get a couple of G3F Figures working fine in Poser Pro 11.  Means they should work fine in any of my Poser Pro's.   
Firstly, DS changes the rigging weight mapping to TriAxial.  Then the Figure is saved, then it is selected and Poser Companion Files created from the DS Menus.  Now we're done in DS and go to Poser.  DSON Importer For Poser does need to be working already.  Cause it will show the DUF file using the PCF's earlier.  Load this new Figure, then you have to immediately save it FROM Poser with a new filename.  This creates a true CR2.  Next you run the Genesis3PoserUpdater.exe, open the file you just saved, click the Update button, wait a few seconds for it to say Saved!, then go to Poser, delete the old G3F in the scene, load the newly updated one and FINALLY you can pose every joint, use all facial expressions and morphs.  It all works.  SAVE THIS ONE NOW!   Note that it is ALL now in Poser format and Poser RIGGING, so the expressions, which are based on BONES in the face now, will look slightly different.  There is no help for that except just don't overdo the expressions dials!  Yeah, I used a new file name for each load/save operation, and I ended up with several files no longer needed.   
This works.  What you end up with is a Figure in Poser that looks great, has the complete character set it used in DS, and can now be used in Poser just like any other Figure.  Next, there is a tutorial included on G3F clothing in Poser.  I haven't done that one yet!  Here is a quickie PP11 render of a G3F.
McG.

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[Jherrith]

Sounds way to complicated to me

Guess we will finally get around to using all that Poser content I have been buying or collecting as freebies at long last

[McGrandpa]

It is complicated, for the moment.   You might think of it as a working Public Beta.  I look for the process to be streamlined, simplified and possibly with more automation.  I think DS will have to be used until DSON can encompass it and then we will be able to simply see it and load it from our Poser Library. 
I have seen some words saying you dislike the whole DSON thing.   I like it simply because it gives me even more nice content to use in Poser.  No other reason.  That is all it was made to do.
McG.