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Title: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 06:16:44 AM
OK, I be here J!    True, a little more out of the public way.  I'm not as likely to suffer heavily from that foot and mouth disease.  :(

Did ya get the zip ok?  AND, when we go to hit the render button and start timing (how do ya tell how long a render went on? ) I will just use RENDER as Render In Background sorta gives me an advantage.  I can keep doing other stuff while the render goes.  THAT one to me is priceless!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 08:02:01 AM
I c u !
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
On the tool bar there is a drop down called scripts > partners (?) > Dimension 3d > render firefly

It brings up a dialog box for additional settings one can tweak, once set or use default which is what I will set it at, you can then click on "Render Time" and it will render the scene and give a dialog box with the length of time it took to do the scene once complete.

We got the zip and as mentioned had to go to work did open a new scene and have the repair shop and the acacia loaded once back home I will be able to set the camera and light the same and press the button

I render in the background as well and can do other things while it is running.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 08:16:19 AM
On the tool bar there is a drop down called scripts > partners (?) > Dimension 3d > render firefly

It brings up a dialog box for additional settings one can tweak, once set or use default which is what I will set it at, you can then click on "Render Time" and it will render the scene and give a dialog box with the length of time it took to do the scene once complete.

We got the zip and as mentioned had to go to work did open a new scene and have the repair shop and the acacia loaded once back home I will be able to set the camera and light the same and press the button

I rendeer in the background as well and can do other things while it is running.

Excellent!   I think while you and the rest of the world is off working I'll hit the hay for a nap.  Can't sleep in the heat, but its cool now and can snooze a bit.  Scene is ready to render here too.  I will use that D3D render thing!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 08:20:43 AM
I never even looked at that one J.  I will be using it all the time now, which means copying the py to an easier to reach place like in Utility!  Ha!
One other thing, I am using PP 2014 most of the time now (still).  Cause they are really messing up with PP 11 and the Library.
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 08:48:50 AM
It is a godsend to say the least I especially like being able to tweak the settings even further then the drop down on the tool bar
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
I never even looked at that one J.  I will be using it all the time now, which means copying the py to an easier to reach place like in Utility!  Ha!
One other thing, I am using PP 2014 most of the time now (still).  Cause they are really messing up with PP 11 and the Library.
McG.

That's fine we are just looking to do a side by side comparison and figure out where the bottle neck is located on my system.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
All right been reading here and there and what I want to know is about the GPU render feature that Poser 11 and 2014 have, which I do not have in Poser 10

Is that what is contributing to the differences in our render times?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 04:32:23 PM
I have no clue.   I am not using SuperFly.   There are no options I can find to control that in ANY Poser version I have.  Studio has options for that.   2014 does have some options for doing some stuff in hardware.  But that is for the Preview room.   So, I dunno.  I know that 2014 is all 64 bits and it made a big difference over the original Poser Pro.  I sorta skipped (waited really) from Pro (7) to 2014.  And now, I bought a Poser Pro 11 upgrade and the program IS better but the Library is for shit right now.  So, I wait for them to fix their screw up before trying to use it seriously.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
A first render using the D3D Firefly panel;  well see the little screencap attached.  18 mins 19 secs.  And I watched it, the acacia canopy slowed the advance of the squares to a near halt!  LOL!


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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
Well, methinks we might be on to something now as I loaded all your settings into the scene reset my render controls to default and then loaded your setting there and then did the "render time" from the script.

Final Time:

00:10:18.608

Now we be talking ...

Damn, so it is obvious I have been bogging things down all this time with excessive settings that add nothing to a scene but time.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
Well, yeah,  a little.  But how can you know?  If you hung out in some Poser geek forums you might have caught some of these tidbits. I picked up this stuff in the usenet Ng alt.binaries.3d.poser.  There's always someone rooting around trying stuff out.
One obvious one is using IDL in the outdoor setting.  Running render with then without a item shows what's what.  But hours of difference?  Whew!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
IDL has great uses.  But really wasn't made to be an infinite light. 
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 06:50:22 PM
Knocked 8 mins off my time, yeah that's great!  Now your machine is showing its biceps!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 07:12:45 PM
I wonder what would happen if I do it again with the extra special functions enabled in the D3D dialog box

Take longer no doubt, but still I am so happy to see that when we use the same settings that Stormbringer lives up to its potential.

I do see that my biggest hurdle has been my lighting all these years,
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 07:14:05 PM
Well, yeah,  a little.  But how can you know?  If you hung out in some Poser geek forums you might have caught some of these tidbits. I picked up this stuff in the usenet Ng alt.binaries.3d.poser.  There's always someone rooting around trying stuff out.
One obvious one is using IDL in the outdoor setting.  Running render with then without a item shows what's what.  But hours of difference?  Whew!
McG.


Hell I barely hang out with myself ... so no wonder I missed all those lovely forums with useful information

:iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 08:06:55 PM
Hit it with a couple extra settings

Still

01:51:40.022

Definitely an improvement
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 08:08:58 PM
Obviously I need to get a grip on lighting
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 23, 2016, 08:31:27 PM
I would say :hubbahubba: but that might be taken in the wrong way :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 10:21:46 PM
Yeah, lights and shadows were a big issue for me too.  I added IBL to the understanding, that is great to use at times.  Now I need to get real close to IDL now.  I've seen some cool stuff done with it
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 23, 2016, 10:25:09 PM
Hit it with a couple extra settings

Still

01:51:40.022

Definitely an improvement

Did you increase render dimensions a lot?  Almost two hours for the test scene!?!?

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 24, 2016, 04:15:01 AM
Hit it with a couple extra settings

Still

01:51:40.022

Definitely an improvement

Was that on the old scene, the one with two or three DR trees in it?   If so, you went from over 6 hours rendering down to under 2 hours.  Yeah, major improvement!  MAJOR improvement!  :o)
McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 24, 2016, 04:25:03 AM
Ray tracing and the number of bounces and a few other check box in the D3D dialog box
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 24, 2016, 04:51:14 AM
Ok, cool.  I did copy the py to the Utility folder, works from there too.  I too like the available settings Ralf put on the page.  Lots of em!  What he writes, works. 
Gonna have to start messing with ZBrush a lot now.  Just to have more fun. 
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 24, 2016, 05:25:13 AM
Me three although we will probably start with the Manga Studio and Anime Studio then maybe a little Vue and Blender before tackling Zbrush although just poking it with a stick to set up the default stage will be interesting enough to see what is there and why
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 24, 2016, 06:19:46 AM
I don't have the Manga and Anime Studios.   I can get what I want render-wise from Poser, so not much interested in those two, though they have gone on sale for cheep a lot in recent times.  ZBrush.  You kinda start off with this ball of clay.   Then you attack it with all the things (tools) you have to see what they do to the ball of clay.   Much more like sculpting to me than Modo, which is supposed to be THE computer sculpting modeler.  There is also a freebie that you can get from Pixologic that is the basic engine of the modern ZBrush called Sculptris.  But if we own ZBrush, why bother with Sculptris?  Cause we are not inundated with a gusher flood of options in it like we are with the front page in ZBrush thats why!  LOL!
McG. :)
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 24, 2016, 06:32:47 PM
Seeing as we have a couple three hundred or more manga in the library and anime in the video library we did spring for both and since they were on sale ... yep ... :iminnocent:

Really I am

Granted it to is a learning curve but one I wont mind adapting to as it seems these along with Poser integrates with Zbrush in a round about way or is it the other way round so much documentation to read so much to get baffled gabbed on :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 24, 2016, 07:35:53 PM
ZBrush integrating?  Well, there is GO-Z, a plugin that may do some integrating with other programs.  I have looked at that word "integrating" a couple times and blinked.  Need to investigate more I think!  :)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 24, 2016, 07:53:33 PM
Me three as it was just one of those fly by's descriptions one reads in passing ... without truly seeing what was written.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 24, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
Have you even played IN ZBrush yet?  If not, hey it's fun, gotta give it that!  It kinda has its own definitions of some words that mean other things in most other programs.  What we call TOOLS is the thing you are modeling ON.  that clay ball.  It is up to 4R7 or something now.  And it comes with a lot of really cool tutorial type stuff too.  This is one program I think was worth the money and then some!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 25, 2016, 09:05:19 AM
Worked on some of the other practice pieces and the times for rendering have continued to be low until I crank up the ray trace bounces and IDL settings.

I did one on the XP box using my Cookie and the Mech picture, changed the lights to IBL, set the textures to crisp and said run took 1 hour and 15 minutes

Did the same scene on Stormbringer 15 minutes. :thud:

Seriously ...

Did a visual comparison twixt the two and let me tell you there is even a difference in the sharpness and crispness of the colors and textures.

Granted that might just be the difference between the two monitors with one being full HD and the other not so very much
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 25, 2016, 11:50:40 AM
That's a major difference I think!  I have to get my feet up for a while. Swelling gets bad after a few hours up time.  I got the new items installed and sorted, ready to load and go.   I can't even guess what Stormbringer is capable of!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 25, 2016, 02:03:02 PM
It will be a good thing once I get the ability to upgrade to the 64 bit version of Poser I can't wait to see what will happen on that day.

Till then we are still quite pleased by marked improvement in the displayed attributes

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 25, 2016, 02:39:00 PM
That's right!  Just keep in mind, your 32bits is rendering  faster than my 64bits.  Your older slower program is still powering right by my newer faster program.  :o)
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 25, 2016, 02:49:47 PM
Provided I don't set the render specs to high :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 08:19:55 AM
Speaking o which!   I been cracking open Da BOOK!  a bit.  Wrong end of the day maybe, but it was still good gleaning in ye olde Reference Manual.    From what you were saying, you DID likely swamp your render times down by upping some settings to do with Indirect Light.   Plus, using it with a Universal light rather than a Spotlight could maybe add DAYS to the render times.  Yeah, that serious!  You should have a look at that short chapter in the Ref Man!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 08:28:35 AM
What :shock: read the user manual ... heaven forbid ... I just started Libriomancer by Jim Hines ... does that count?

Even though we are also reading Mariners of Gor by John Norman, Spellstorm by Ed Greenwood and Tsubasa World Chronicle: Niraikanai by Clamp at the same time
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 08:54:39 AM
ROH ROH ROH ROH!   GOR I grok, started reading some of that from time to time since I was a teenager.  You are 3 years younger than me, so I KNOW what levels of "stuff" you have been exposed to.   I guess you never much cared for Farmer or Dick?  What about Jack Vance?  He has written some very interesting themes.   Gor.  goodness man, I thought I'd read raunchy sci-fi quite a bit from 10 thru 20's but Gor is a world where everything goes.  Slave.  That is a word absolutely defined in the Gor continuum man.  Whatever energy plate you gotta step on to get there, I will stay WAY away from.  IF I awaken there, no choice but deal with it or die.  If I don't, hey RUN!  :)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 09:06:08 AM
We have read some of the ones u you mentioned might even have a few still somewhere in me library granted there is now only 2336 volumes to sort through to find them :thud:

As to Gor volume 34 to be released August 2016
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 09:54:48 AM
I bought The Tarnsman of Gor when it was first out in like 1970, standing in line at the supermarket checkout I shuffled to be last up in the family line, picked up a copy from the endcap rack of mags and paperbacks and something else, maybe pack of gum.  Paid for it with my own cash.  I was like 16.  I bought it to assert My Self to my dad.  He acted like he didn't care.  I didn't know he already had it, and some other 'socially heavy' sci-fi books.  Turned out to be a decent enough read, but I didn't like the way the author pounded down women.  Like I don't like the way Marion Zimmer Bradley pounds down men.  Zimmer asserts women can be loose but men can ONLY give themselves to one woman per lifetime.  With a smile.  Norman asserts women have their uses.  And that's all they are worth.  then he shrugs.  Neither are my favorite people.  I've read several volumes from both through the decades, and neither have changed their viewpoint.  OK.  They are still not my favorite people.  :o)
Have you read Orson Scott Card?  Enders Game?  There are at least 5 books to make that a series.  Happily, the movie covered only the first book.   Card leaves out ALL the raunchy stuff, and writes around a single drop of "You Can't Stop THIS!" stuff.   Similar to the planet killer asteroid scenario.  Ender runs into several situations of that magnitude through the next 4 volumes.  I won't describe what they are.  That would make reading unnecessary! 
"Good Reads".  Often a writer has the form and style that, by itself, is interesting enough to "read".  When such a writer tackles a topic that is real interesting to a reader, and does that in a very engaging way;  THAT is Great Reading.  Such a very rare combination too.   At a given moment in time, any writers work could be both, say to me but not to YOU.  Then tomorrow, the very same could be both to YOU but not me.  That sir is what I call the Fickleness of the Human Self in the Cosmos!   :smile: :crazysmile: :yippee: :winks:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 10:18:42 AM
Have heard of Card don't think I have read any though, been more of a D&D, Forgotten realms reader recently.

Drizzt Do'Urden by R.A. Salvatore is a great character and he has really developed him into one complex person then again after 32 volumes he should be a fairly well developed character :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Oh,  I don't think I've read anything from Norman since the late 90's.  No reason for that, other than my reading took a different direction.  My interest had shifted heavily into computers and I'd gotten cable.  So, I was very active in Usenet and a couple forums, plus work was consuming me.  I was reading manuals and chasing hardware back then.  For more than two full decades I did that.   Today, I am interested in the Flights of Fancy again.  I might pick up on Gor.  But I might rather pick up on the complete Terry Brooks "Shannara" realm.  I miss Allanon, Shea, Wil, Erin and Jair Ohmsford.  I miss the great Druid citadel, full of powers and secrets but ALL the knowledge of all four lands that could be found.   Kimber Boh , Wren! And so many other well developed and described characters that just stir the imagination, often whip it to a frenzy!  Yes, I kinda miss that.  But even more my friend, I miss *PEOPLE*.  Like us, the real world of living people.  Not as easy to get back into THAT realm as I figured it should be!  LOL!   

Something I feel is a cool thing, is that we now have these cool tools to use with our imaginations.  The tools being the software and hardware we now have at our disposal.   I suppose the ultimate use would be to use a game engine and create a virtual world loaded up with the stuff we imagine.   With what we HAVE J, you might call it a low-level holo deck, eh?  I chose to do the static realm.  Not animating.  Way too time consuming, as my limited intellectual capacity has demonstrated time and again.  It becomes uninteresting to get bogged down in LEARNING stuff that I have questions in the use of but no clear answers.  I am hard of hearing.  Makes video tuts really tough for me.  Speaking to tinnitus, I know that one inside and out man.   

Well, got a couple chores to do.  back later!

McG.   :java:
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 10:36:39 AM
Second the motion on Shannara ... we have about 20 volumes in that lovely setting ... have only read about the first twelve

So many books to read so little time
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 10:38:45 AM
Have heard of Card don't think I have read any though, been more of a D&D, Forgotten realms reader recently.

Drizzt Do'Urden by R.A. Salvatore is a great character and he has really developed him into one complex person then again after 32 volumes he should be a fairly well developed character :tearlaugh:

CLICK!  Drizzt?  That is the character Dark Elf designed his online persona after.  Ha!    I remember when there were only a couple hundred puplished hard Sci-Fi authors, and I'd read something by all of them I think.  Today, there are more published authors than you even have numbers of bound books!   You speak to reads I've never heard of too.  Card has been around since the 60's, and published Enders Game as a short story in Analog or Science Fiction magazines in like 1970 or 71.   It was such a good story though, he was encouraged by editors and a publisher to release a full novel of it.  He did.  And while written to college level kids, lots of adults ate it up too.  As good a movie as it is, it is a better read. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Alright now time for a real question

I have just loaded three different building from 1971s and all three have textures that are missing parts to them

What is going on ???

Former Watchtower

Gatehouse

Green House

All of them are whacked in one spot or more
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 11:22:26 AM
Great now it is also

Hall Smugglers

House on Suburb
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
Damn now it is the Life in Sky model
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on June 26, 2016, 11:55:17 AM
Ok it's not my topic but:
- have you your runtime in a disk of Stormbringer, or on external?
- have you one day move the textures in another part of runtime(s) and forgot to put in the code of these things?
- no track of textures with the Search?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 11:59:42 AM
All runtimes are on Stormbringer no external drives

Installed normally never touched or moved from original installed location.

Looked at texture in material room and there seems to be gaps in the original texture maps
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:00:13 PM
On to the next one
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:01:12 PM
Well the island came out fine it was the house that is missing parts of the texture
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:16:23 PM
Now the Medieval Inn that has issues :sigh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:21:11 PM
Looks like the Old Town House Kit has texture issues as well ... :sigh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:24:34 PM
Seems to be the buildings only the asphalt and street lamp seem to be fine
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 12:49:27 PM
That's weird man.  And I don't have those 1971s sets yet.
I'm on the tablet right now, but don't recall any of the ones I do have with so many issues.
I wonder if it is a W10 permissions thing about writing files permanently to disk?  i had that crap the first time in vista.  damn m$ anyway.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:56:13 PM
OK you lost me on that one there

I am going to have to check the as of now eight models on the XP box and see if the same problem exists.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
Well, the last four have been nice and proper
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 01:38:20 PM
J, every one I load up is from the Characters group, and they load nekkid.  Gotta load the textures.  1971s put MAT poses in POSE and MATerials MC6's.  Just loaded up that Blacksmith House of his, and it loaded 'blank', I ran the MC6 and all textures loaded fine.
You ARE loading the textures manually right?  I mean, they never load automatically for me!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 01:42:43 PM
That is correct I load them manually on every one of them and have ran into eight so far that are not working properly

The last 10 are all right
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 01:52:51 PM
Ok man, I got 17 Houses, 11 Islands and 10 Transports of his.  And he has like a couple hundred more, which I think you got!  LOL!  I attached a list in .jpg anyway.
He seems to always have a sale going on, of some percentage.  Very few things have moving parts.  But usually his textures seem to be nice and realistic.  Good looking models.  Am I wrong?
McG.

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Eight of em huh.  I'm gonna have to load up the recent purchases and see if they're alright.  If you check the textures in the zips and they are all there, but are painted 'incomplete' or something, then he needs to be contacted and told about this issue!  That's just bad for business!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 02:14:20 PM
Yes we need to get detailed as to the issues, as I have hit 8 already continuing to test the rest of my collection
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 03:17:48 PM
Yup, me three.  I'm on it.  My little list I posted;  so far that stuff I've used works, the one that has what I think of as a texture issue is that Wireless House.  Boxes and Barrels are base dark gray, not wooden like you'd think they would be.  Anyway.  You and I both used that, did you think that an issue?  Boxes, barrels and all the nixie tube stuff.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 03:36:28 PM
I am starting to notice some things.  He don't like glass.  Nothing glass looks like glass.  There are no lights included with these sets even though there are lamps and lanterns all over the sets.  The promos show stuff lit up real pretty.  His English is broken and his readmes are very sparse.  Seems I have a lot to learn about lights in Poser still!
Smuggles Bridge is up now, and its looking pretty good, even with gray lights.
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 05:59:38 PM
You will love this then

Haven't checked all and am still in test mode however my collection consists of the following


Did an overlap of the tree so you might see some repetition, nonetheless here you go


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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 26, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Are you sure you downloaded all the zips and textures? Check the textures in your Texture files for 1971S against what is shown in the preview of the zips window in the ReadMe file. And do you have all the parts and pieces of them for sure? Check your account and see if you got all of them, or forgot to load the textures for that zip. It happens sometimes when you're doing them manually.

Just asking...not more.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 26, 2016, 07:49:11 PM
Another thing with 1971S's stuff is there are usually files in the Materials library of the Libraries that have all the textures so they attach On Load. If you may not have loaded those, thinking there was nothing in that folder, that could be why they aren't there as well.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 08:23:45 PM
I do intend to dig deeper but so far it is not looking good but will keep thee posted
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 26, 2016, 08:33:18 PM
By the way... Don't look for a "1971S" in the Materials folder in Libraries(unless he's changed his ways).

Instead, look for the name of the Prop, like "Smuggler's Cove" or "Moon Boat" or "Seafarer's House", etc.

If you have Notepad ++, you can "Open with Notepad ++" the .mc6 files (the ones that say 'Poser Content' in there) and you can see where the loaded materials are pointing to in the Textures folder "1971S". If they're not there, then it doesn't know where to look for them.

I do know some about textures. So does Aelin.  :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 08:35:02 PM
Have tried both the material files along with the pose files and no joy so far with the previously mentioned



Still testing
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 26, 2016, 08:47:54 PM
Have looked at the textures in the material room and can see blank spots
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 26, 2016, 09:17:41 PM
Yep, been looking at them in a image editor, sure do seem like some of them are too simplistic for what they go to. Like the barrels and boxes thing I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 26, 2016, 09:36:34 PM
His textures are very simple - at least on his boats and the River Boat Dock. They're mostly straight seamless wood textures, bump and Disp maps. Don't have any of his buildings so don't know what those are like. He does tend to keep them very simple though.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 26, 2016, 09:53:08 PM
Have looked at the textures in the material room and can see blank spots

These blank spots in the texture....could you post a screen of them please?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on June 27, 2016, 07:34:32 AM
His textures are very simple - at least on his boats and the River Boat Dock. They're mostly straight seamless wood textures, bump and Disp maps. Don't have any of his buildings so don't know what those are like. He does tend to keep them very simple though.
I have his "Cozy house 2". The house is downloaded in "blank" shape; add the material with a pz2 file. I have 19 textures for: door, frame, glass, lanterns, pillars, roof... No bump or displacement. Each texture = 1 material branche in his structure.

But like said Ravyn, if you don't find directly the texture, try by the exact name of the set.
Are you sure that you copy these textures, and they were not forgotten? Some times it happens.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 27, 2016, 09:48:06 AM
that's what I am seeing also.  Some of his textures are quite involved, while others are plain simple things.  The models themselves all seem well made, well optimized.  But some sure do need help!  I don't have near as many as J does. 
McG. :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 27, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
Well, I just opened up one of his meshes in a UV editor and it's perfectly clear as to why much of it is simple...LOL

He doesn't design solely for Poser or Daz; these are optimized for use in game engines! They are lightweight and ready to be imported into nearly any engine. But, one can simply open them up in any UV Mapper and create your own templates if need be!

Tis an easy task, besides..."J" you do have all the tools you need...DUHH!
 :java:

But, I'd go with the advice the ladies offered...it is sound advice!

Just offering my two cents.
 :cool:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 02:34:07 PM
Once I get home I will attach one of the troublesome ones and show you what is going on
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 02:37:49 PM
By the way... Don't look for a "1971S" in the Materials folder in Libraries(unless he's changed his ways).

Instead, look for the name of the Prop, like "Smuggler's Cove" or "Moon Boat" or "Seafarer's House", etc.

If you have Notepad ++, you can "Open with Notepad ++" the .mc6 files (the ones that say 'Poser Content' in there) and you can see where the loaded materials are pointing to in the Textures folder "1971S". If they're not there, then it doesn't know where to look for them.

I do know some about textures. So does Aelin.  :java:

Some of the new models have both a material room folder .mc6 and one in the pose folder that calls for the texture too.

I actually looked at one in the material room and there are blank areas on the texture map.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 02:41:44 PM
Are you sure you downloaded all the zips and textures? Check the textures in your Texture files for 1971S against what is shown in the preview of the zips window in the ReadMe file. And do you have all the parts and pieces of them for sure? Check your account and see if you got all of them, or forgot to load the textures for that zip. It happens sometimes when you're doing them manually.

Just asking...not more.

Usually am pretty good with that but will look again in detail this evening
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 27, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by 'blank spots' do you mean it's just white in spots? Like below?

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 07:25:17 PM
Well, looked at the textures again and this time via the install folder and they appear to be complete and intact just wont render properly.

When looking at them in the material room there to my eyes at any rate to be excessive amount of black space between parts of it.

The screwy thing now is I just rendered one of the problem child's on the old XP box and guess what the scene renders completely and properly .. it is on the Win 10 box that I am hitting this roadblock.

:thud:

Finding even more oddities

Coastal Pier has two houses in it along with a third however the two other houses do not match the texture files in either the pose file or the material folder. However they do match the two houses in the Old Town Home Kit

double :thud:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 27, 2016, 07:39:23 PM
A lot of black as in masking those areas like in some hair textures?Transparency mapping?

Really can't say what's going on there without seeing everything in person. And looking at it ALL. I don't think anyone really could at this point.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
Well, here is a collection of the ones that did not render properly in Win 10

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 07:55:38 PM
Now for the oddity

Same Former Watchtower on the XP box and what do we have but this

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 08:04:09 PM
Just opened another problem child on the XP box and it too now renders completely and properly and the lamp post even loads and renders which for some reason it would not do on the Win 10 box

:ummm:  ... my head hurts ...


We are now completely befuddled
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 08:24:59 PM
Well, now it is truly getting baffling I just opened the same building on both boxes, loaded the texture whacked on the Win 10 box and fine on the XP box

Dug deeper and compared the material files what is consider wall 2 on the one is not the same file on the other box.

Apparently we have managed to somehow corrupted them when transferring them to the Win 10 box.

Yet when I look in the texture folder it show the correct map but when I look at it in the material room it is different
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 08:30:13 PM
Ta da found the problem, went to see where it was pointing while in the material room and what the hell it was pointing to textures in a different folder entirely made the change in the file location and :yippee: it worked.


Well only on the preview window apparently
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 08:49:17 PM
Fixed one and then went to a different one and saw the same issue fixed it however I did not do a test render of it

Then decided to go back to the first one and :sad: it had reverted back to the crap nonsense

Rendered it and :sadder: crap again, so in the preview window it is proper but when I went to render it turned to rubbish
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 27, 2016, 08:52:49 PM
Whoa.  Ok fine, but why is POSER doing that in the first place!   I am getting some of that too, with the messed up texture locations.  And not with just 1971s's stuff.   So I can't blame W10 for it.  Nor one particular version of Poser since I am seeing this in PP 2014 myself, and you in P10.   I dunno.  I hope we do figure out the WHY eventually.
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 27, 2016, 08:53:46 PM
Fixed one and then went to a different one and saw the same issue fixed it however I did not do a test render of it

Then decided to go back to the first one and :sad: it had reverted back to the crap nonsense

Rendered it and :sadder: crap again, so in the preview window it is proper but when I went to render it turned to rubbish

You might have to Reload Textures before rendering after changing the location in mats room. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
:ummm: Not certain I understand correctly, but I changed them in the mat room, went back to the pose file and reloaded them and it reverted back to the original crap.


So if I understood things properly I have done that and that didn't work.

Going to find my original zip file next and reinstall it and see what happens next.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 27, 2016, 09:04:05 PM
:ummm: Not certain I understand correctly, but I changed them in the mat room, went back to the pose file and reloaded them and it reverted back to the original crap.


So if I understood things properly I have done that and that didn't work.

Going to find my original zip file next and reinstall it and see what happens next.

Do yourself a favor and if it is packed properly for Poser, which it should be, just Unzip To...wherever it goes and don't do it manually.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 27, 2016, 09:11:23 PM
:ummm: Not certain I understand correctly, but I changed them in the mat room, went back to the pose file and reloaded them and it reverted back to the original crap.


So if I understood things properly I have done that and that didn't work.

Going to find my original zip file next and reinstall it and see what happens next.

Yep, I see this all the time when I am trying different things on a model, swapping out textures in the materials room repeatedly.  Poser has a mind of its own about some things, and this is definitely one of those.   Poser often does not let go of an items originally loaded texture file, no matter what it shows you in the Mats room and Preview room.  When you hit Render, it will use whatever texture it feels like and very often its the original.   I find deleting the model from the scene then reloading it doesn't help either.  The "Reload Textures" is supposed to make sure the renderer gets the newly selected textures.  Does NOT always work.
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
So far so good did a fresh install of one of the problem ones and the preview prior to rendering looked correct. It even loaded the lamp this time


 so wait for it .....
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 09:22:01 PM
:woohoo: A complete and proper texture for Green House, boxes, crates, bags and all other sundries.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 27, 2016, 09:31:21 PM
Well now this is weird just installed for the first time the Air Village applied textures to the houses, two came out proper the third house pulled textures from the Green House I just tested :thud:

I am so going to bed might even read a few pages of something light as I am over this for the evening.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 27, 2016, 09:39:02 PM
Glad you got it figured out! Like I've said before....these gals around here are pretty darn smart! You should always listen to them!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 27, 2016, 11:07:57 PM
 :java: IS it figured out? Are you loading them all in the same file or opening a new file each time and loading them?

Whenever, you go back to it.

Exactly, McG, there is no way to get rid of the orphaned files that are no longer parented to anything in the scene or are parented to the wrong thing in the scene (like you have V4 selected, but really you want to add the textures to her dress, not her. You're then stuck with it in the scene. You really have to watch that when making textures (.mc6 files) and uncheck those things so they don't get added to whatever it is you're trying to make a Mat Collection or .pz2 for.

....unless some clever person writes a script to remove un-parented items.... If it's even possible.

However, no one's ever seemed inclined to write such a thing or correct it in the Program, or provide a way to do it in the Program. I went over there once and asked how you got rid of un-parented files in Poser's Mat Room. No one answered me, so that tells you something. I don't think it was because it was a stupid question. It happens.   

Only way to fix it is open a new scene and start over. Just don't Import that other scene into it.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 27, 2016, 11:28:17 PM


....unless some clever person writes a script to remove un-parented items.... If it's even possible.


Yes...it is possible!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 01:43:20 AM
Was just over at Rendo looking at "Life in the Sky" those aren't even the right textures for it. That house is like orange stucco or such, not stone.

Did it load that way all by itself? Did you try re-loading the textures with the Pose Library textures or Material files for it?

I noticed the front panel on it is like an upside down arch in the texture that is there. That's why I checked that one in particular. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 01:44:34 AM
Yes...it is possible!
 :java:

:thumb_up: Good to know.

Maybe..... :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 04:03:31 AM
Was just over at Rendo looking at "Life in the Sky" those aren't even the right textures for it. That house is like orange stucco or such, not stone.

Did it load that way all by itself? Did you try re-loading the textures with the Pose Library textures or Material files for it?

I noticed the front panel on it is like an upside down arch in the texture that is there. That's why I checked that one in particular. 

Yep it just loaded that way, the odd thing is that after getting so bafflegabbed last night instead of just putting ye ole machine in sleep mode I also completely closed Poser down .

 Saw this post so opened it up and then applied textures and :OMFG: it loaded the correct ones associated with the product.

Checked in the material room and yes it is pulling the right textures from the right folder.

 :thud:

Running a new render on it to verify will know in a few if all is well
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 04:27:24 AM
Well it render correctly :yippee:

However I see that your statement about items removed and then loading new textures to the new item.

So far the last three scene I have done I started with one set, rendered fine.

Delete it and add a new one, apply textures and it is pulling the textures from the last loaded model not what it should be pulling from, if I close the whole scene out and start with a new one then it works properly.

Never had to do that before
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 05:36:21 AM
Went to work with that Air Village again and although the preview showed correct textures two out of three of the houses did not render correctly.

So new scene tried again same results, it was calling for the right textures in the material room .... so .... damn

Okay start with the simplest solution reinstall it a second time ... well, now that fixed it this is some crazy sort of stupid going on here in my opinion.

As mentioned before never had to jump through this many hoops on the XP box.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 05:56:30 AM
This is getting stupid now,

Once again load a new blank scene loaded the Eatery this time applied all textures yep looking proper rendered it and get a :OMFG: moment.

The brick wall behind the door is showing through the door and the glass doesn't show anywhere and the corner blocks on the building the ones in grey are totally skewed.

So nothing like doing it again and see what occurs

Double :OMFG: now it renders properly

As I said this is getting stupid ... best walk away from the 1971s stuff for a few and try something else and see if it keeps misbehaving
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 08:07:43 AM
Take it for what it's worth...but if that new custom build was meant to be your studio machine, putting win10 on it was the worst possible thing you could have done!

I don't know of any major studio that uses it! I myself would NEVER put it on my studio computers! Win10 was designed with social media as the mindset. Read the tech forums!
I have it installed on the lappy only and never can keep Poser stable on that machine because of it. Every time 10 updates, Poser stops working correctly.
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 08:22:07 AM
There is a list of textures Poser works from, you can see it from any "Click To Add Texture" square in the Materials room.  It opens the small dialog called Texture Manager.  Click on "Add", not "Browse", and you will be given the listing of textures Poser has accumulated in its current session.  Even if you have been using Poser in the current session steadily doing different things for days and days, that list of textures just keeps getting longer.  Everything you load adds to it.  CTRL-N (New) does not clear this list.  Clearing the program cache from the settings dialog does not clear it.  The only thing I have seen that does clear it is restarting Poser.   This is a design flaw and I am pretty sure it contributes to Poser crashing periodically.  It also points to this problem you are having right now with the 1971s sets and their textures.   
And you know S-M's Poser people are still the same people that worked in Poser while it was e-Frontier, and some of the same are still there from Curios Labs days.  Larry Weinberg is still there.  In years past, I have complained of the issue and asked that they create a CLEAR button for that list and never got a clear answer about it.  I bet dRaCX would agree that ANY internal list that is never cleared and keeps on growing is a dangerous thing for a program working from data in that list. 

I can't see the issue being 1971s fault.  As has been pointed out, his models are optimized enough they can be used as game content.   Me, I have to look at Poser for the problem.  And since that list exists, apparently unchanged, in every version of Poser I have from P6 through PP 11 shows the source of that issue.   I hate to say it, but the only help I can see for it is to simply restart Poser, so that list is cleared.

McG. :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on June 28, 2016, 08:24:07 AM
:ummm: Not certain I understand correctly, but I changed them in the mat room, went back to the pose file and reloaded them and it reverted back to the original crap.


So if I understood things properly I have done that and that didn't work.

Going to find my original zip file next and reinstall it and see what happens next.
Have you closed Poser, cleaned your previous renders in the cache, then reopen Poser to try? I had a problem when i made textures of Independence for Black Phoenix: i saw strangely the top. I needed to clean all.

Otherwise, i see that finally it worked for you at least for a moment, i'm happy to learn this :thumb_up:
Have you your own mc6 (or change in code of object) really well loaded?

Take it for what it's worth...but if that new custom build was meant to be your studio machine, putting win10 on it was the worst possible thing you could have done!

I don't know of any major studio that uses it! I myself would NEVER put it on my studio computers! Win10 was designed with social media as the mindset. Read the tech forums!
I have it installed on the lappy only and never can keep Poser stable on that machine because of it. Every time 10 updates, Poser stops working correctly.
 :java:
I'm stopped with W8, and i'm very happy. On my computer (what? 10/12 days of "age" with me), W10 pack in Windows update was on the machine, and its first action? Transform McAffee in virus! so i made in this occasion my opinion on W10  (http://www.thefantasiesattic.net/attic/Smileys/default/omg.gif)
And i know too how different members consider W10 too.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 08:36:12 AM
I agree with dRaCX and Aelin;  W10 is NOT a good thing for us to use.   Or for anyone really.   I did try it on both my desktop and laptop, both are 64 bit systems and appeared to run it just fine.  Problems:  W10 forces automatic updates AND for ALL of the "special features" including Cortana YOU WILL use a Microsoft Account to log into your own computer.   I don't care if they have changed that in the interim, I am not reinstalling W10 on those machines.  I reverted to their original OS's that same weekend.   W10 is all about M$ having control, not you.   So I never got to see what kinds of other issues would arise. 

Unfortunately, I can't say W10 is where these issues are coming from.   I would like to, but can't.

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 11:27:22 AM
Far as I'm concerned Win10 is a steaming pile of horse manure.

No, it is not really a system designed for power users. It's for social media and how many updates does it have now...? Lots of updates means it's still basically being beta-tested and corrected. Far as I'm concerned it's right up there for the Golden FUBAR award of the decade, standing proudly beside the Millennium Edition.

Took me a minute to figure out what you were talking about in the Mat Room, "Click to Add Texture" box in there. You still work in the Simple View in there. Aha! You can see that in the Advanced View tab too from the pop-up box to change the textures. Yup that's always been an issue in Poser from P5 at least, when it was Curious Labs. Likely before that as well. It's rather major flaw in the sense spoken of here.

I also don't think it's just 1971S' stuff you'll have that issue with, J. But yes, any time you keep adding new things in the same .pz3 scene it's just going to do that build-up thing. It's always been that way. Always. Better to just open a new one.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 12:03:27 PM
Well I figured you and Aelin at least would know that issue, Ray.  You two are always working up textures for different things.   And like I'd had half a dozen 1971s sets loaded in one scene alone, then several others separately, without restarting Poser.  So I expected to see messed up textures on Life in Sky and it sure did.  Saved it out to a pz3, quit then restarted PP 2014, loaded that scene and the messed up textures loaded up with it.  Yes, Poser has been notorious since I can recall for doing that.  Hey there are folks lurking in the old a.b.3d.poser ng still using Poser 3.  My first one was poser 6!
McG. :OMFG: :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
I agree with McG on that internal list issue, it's always been a pain in the ass and "yes" will cause major hiccups in the program! There isn't any routine written in it that will allow it to be cleared while suspended in an open state. You can clear it manually but also have to restart Poser.

It has been brought up in the tech boards many times but ignored largely because you can do it manually.
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 12:19:24 PM
I agree with McG on that internal list issue, it's always been a pain in the ass and "yes" will cause major hiccups in the program! There isn't any routine written in it that will allow it to be cleared while suspended in an open state. You can clear it manually but also have to restart Poser.

It has been brought up in the tech boards many times but ignored largely because you can do it manually.
 :java:

I would suspect too that removing it whilst in an open state would likely strip every texture in the file as well, including the ones you ARE using. But given that, you can always redo them or delete them and reload them if they're working solely on an .mc6 Mat Lib file, and there is no .pz2 Pose Mat Lib alternative to it.

Yeah, I probably spend more time in the MAT Room than in the scene itself. It took me months to work up the courage to venture in there and start playing in the Advanced View because it's kind of intimidating when you're new to it. It's like WTF is all this stuff?!! OMG!!! But there's always Undo and just starting over really. No biggie.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 12:22:36 PM
You might want to add where one can go to clear it manually, my dear :smiley:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
Oh he did, he said to Restart Poser.    :OMFG:    That's the reset ability.

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 12:58:37 PM
OK, I just restarted Poser, then loaded up like 7 or 8 of the 1971s sets and an MPCyclo and all the sets did load the right textures this time.  Sadly, if you save a CR2 or PZ3 while the wrong textures are on, that's what it loads with next time the fresh saved item is loaded.   Doing a tiny render to see what it looks like now.  :)   

McG.   :java:

PS- textures are good.  Rendered ok.
 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 01:02:45 PM
Oh he did, he said to Restart Poser.    :OMFG:    That's the reset ability.

McG.

I beg to differ there. That's not what he said. He said, "You can clear it manually but also have to restart Poser."
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 01:04:29 PM
ergo - must restart Poser to reset it.  [pats her on her head]    :feelgood: :thumb_up: :winks: :yippee: :crazysmile:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 01:15:09 PM
[pats her on her head] 



https://youtu.be/xCc-RWIp7XU
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 01:19:05 PM
 :yes: :hug2: :cool: :tearlaugh: :winks: :yippee:          :havesum:


ROFLMAO!   That's my line!  LOL!    :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 03:33:08 PM
I could be wrong, but last I knew when a conjunctive adverb is used in any Germanic or Latin based language sentence like 'and' and 'also' it implies more than one action there. But I won't presume to assume I know what dR meant. Only he can answer that. Certainly not me......
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 04:02:03 PM
[pats her on the head again ]  it's ok sweetie, I  understand.  {smooches!}   


The last thing in  the sentence met all necessary criteria;  To iron out the wrinkle, restart Poser.  We can paraphrase and parry to our hearts content.  And verily tis enjoyable passing a little time with you!   But the bottom line remains, m'dear.  :o)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 04:31:23 PM
[pats her on the head again ]  it's ok sweetie, I  understand.  {smooches!}

Dude!!! If you only knew what kind of look that got you!!! I wouldn't pet her if I were you...lest ye pull back a bloody stub!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

You can do both... Clear it out in Poser, or from your "user temp" files manually but either/or require a restart.

Sorry I didn't clear that up Cookie! Forgive me?
 :havesum:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 04:32:00 PM
Odd I have never had this texture issue come up
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 04:40:46 PM
dRaCX, still have to restart Poser to get it done.  No worries!  Easy to check, just look at the texture list.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 04:45:14 PM
Odd I have never had this texture issue come up

Well, that's exactly why it isn't taken seriously...it doesn't happen to everyone! It mostly happens to those who set Poser up as a custom install. If you use the "Traditional Setup" then you don't have that issue!

Here's what a lot of people don't seem to understand...I don't care what anyone tells you, putting runtimes in "user documents/ or public documents" is for studios sharing content over a network! For the average user who does not share over an open network then runtimes in the main programs folder is the best option!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Yes, thank you for clearing that up dR.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 04:50:02 PM
Well, that's exactly why it isn't taken seriously...it doesn't happen to everyone! It mostly happens to those who set Poser up as a custom install. If you use the "Traditional Setup" then you don't have that issue!

Here's what a lot of people don't seem to understand...I don't care what anyone tells you, putting runtimes in "user documents/ or public documents" is for studios sharing content over a network! For the average user who does not share over an open network then runtimes in the main programs folder is the best option!
 :java:
Interesting, I have my runtime in a custom spot but all else is in the normal place, worst I have had is poser just plain not finding the dang texture but that is normally a naming issue and easy fixed.
I wonder if it would be possible to write a little script to try and fix this when it happens to folk, admittedly I know nothing about scripting lol :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
Odd I have never had this texture issue come up

Now that is odd!  But great!  Maybe your installs are able to handle many texture swaps and keep the list updated.  None of mine do is all I know.  Sigh!

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
Now that is odd!  But great!  Maybe your installs are able to handle many texture swaps and keep the list updated.  None of mine do is all I know.  Sigh!

McG.
I've not done anything special on my installs, other than having a external runtime 
 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 04:52:40 PM
Typically I have never had this issue on my XP box either

Now here is something that has yet to have been mentioned has anyone noticed that he names all his models the same thing "corps" and then in the file if we have duplicate names for material and then I load another item and it carries the same name as "corps" for its main body name and if there are mat files in there with the same name even though it is from a different folder what are the odds that it does not care as it found the first texture with the correct name "wall" for instance and that is what it loads ....

Possible??????
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 04:55:43 PM
Typically I have never had this issue on my XP box either

Now here is something that has yet to have been mentioned has anyone noticed that he names all his models the same thing "corps" and then in the file if we have duplicate names for material and then I load another item and it carries the same name as "corps" for its main body name and if there are mat files in there with the same name even though it is from a different folder what are the odds that it does not care as it found the first texture with the correct name "wall" for instance and that is what it loads ....

Possible??????
That sounds very likely and I must admit I had wondered if some how texture files for one set had got over written by textures for another but not having any of them I couldnt check my self 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 04:58:52 PM
Well, that's just it! That's why for the most part the issue isn't taken seriously for the most part...it can't be reproduced on every platform for every user! Programmers see that as a user caused hiccup.

Yes, a script could be created to ease this if again...it could be reproduced enough to see exactly where the problem lies. But, those kind of scripts are called hacks...some people go all apeshit if you mention the word "hack" LOL
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
Well, so much for that idea I had previously loaded and rendered a setting by Sugatek.

No problems with the render, got home and have just now loaded three different item without starting a new scene and each time if has grabbed the right textures with no funny business in the render process


:thud:

Baffled doesn't begin describe me at this point
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Well, that's just it! That's why for the most part the issue isn't taken seriously for the most part...it can't be reproduced on every platform for every user! Programmers see that as a user caused hiccup.

Yes, a script could be created to ease this if again...it could be reproduced enough to see exactly where the problem lies. But, those kind of scripts are called hacks...some people go all apeshit if you mention the word "hack" LOL
If it was just a script to clear the backlog of textures would you need to have been reproducing the glitch? like I said I have no clue how stuff like that works just curious  :Dragon:
As for "hacks" just come up with a name that wont send some one through the roof, hmm maybe some thing like "Mjolnir fix" :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 05:05:21 PM
@"J"

That is indeed most likely the problem my friend! I don't download a lot of content, but have seen where others bring that up with some vendors.
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 05:09:15 PM
Oh wonders of wonders I am now on a fourth, granted none of the ones I have chosen were the ones used last night but they all are working as intended.

The next one will be one of the problem child's from last night .... and then we shall see ... be back in a few with an update.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 05:13:13 PM
If it was just a script to clear the backlog of textures would you need to have been reproducing the glitch? like I said I have no clue how stuff like that works just curious  :Dragon:
As for "hacks" just come up with a name that wont send some one through the roof, hmm maybe some thing like "Mjolnir fix" :java:

Well, as I mention before....you can't simply clear it while the program is holding it in an open state without exception routines written to handle that. At least, as far as I know....I haven't had any reason to open Poser up to look at it's innards.
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
Well, as I mention before....you can't simply clear it while the program is holding it in an open state without exception routines written to handle that. At least, as far as I know....I haven't had any reason to open Poser up to look at it's innards.
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Ah ok, that I can understand
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on June 28, 2016, 05:14:50 PM
Typically I have never had this issue on my XP box either

Now here is something that has yet to have been mentioned has anyone noticed that he names all his models the same thing "corps" and then in the file if we have duplicate names for material and then I load another item and it carries the same name as "corps" for its main body name and if there are mat files in there with the same name even though it is from a different folder what are the odds that it does not care as it found the first texture with the correct name "wall" for instance and that is what it loads ....

Possible??????
Normally the code of pp2 or cr2 has a complete way to run, like runtime => textures => 1971s => house 1, or same but house 20 or bridge 14 (i don't know really names of his folders, so i invent :psycho: )... The path normally avoid this kind of odds, you can have many textures with same name in a scene, but not coming of the same folder.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 05:22:25 PM
@"J"

That is indeed most likely the problem my friend! I don't download a lot of content, but have seen where others bring that up with some vendors.
 :java:

My thanks it is not often I am on the proper path although I am baffled by it behaving sort of properly now with a different set of models.

Am working on one from last night that was recalcitrant and it is showing signs of being a pain not nearly as bad as last night but perfect it is not.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 28, 2016, 05:55:44 PM
Well, the Win 10 box finally spit up texture errors on one of the problem child scenes from last night.

The XP box just spat a texture error at me which was a surprise but does lend credence to my theory mentioned earlier which dRaCX thinks might be an avenue of exploration.

Nonetheless we do seem to have a few interesting anomalies

    ... at any rate we have work arounds for them so it is not a deal killer ... just ridiculous that we need resort to such fummery.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 28, 2016, 06:30:22 PM
@ J - I agree totally, the devs that ain't taking this seriously and providing some kind of "Clear Textures NOW!" button need a spanking!   Really!   But the short of it IS:  Just restart Poser and it *should* do the textures right for a while.  I loaded a scenes worth, about 8 sets, just to see how it would do.  Surprisingly, not bad at all!  But when it did start acting up I deleted that last loaded item, arranged the scene a bit, added a bg image of stars and hit render.  In smaller size!  Ha!
Oh ok, here it is!  See if you can identify the different sets from what's visible.  In this scene, everything has the right textures!  :o)

McG. :java:

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 09:10:23 PM
Ah ok, that I can understand

Don't be offended because I laughed at the end of my comment my friend, I did so because there are some on here that know how much I like cracking open programs and ripping their guts out to see what makes em tick.
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 28, 2016, 09:13:46 PM
Don't be offended because I laughed at the end of my comment my friend, I did so because there are some on here that know how much I like cracking open programs and ripping their guts out to see what makes em tick.
 :java:
Not offended at all :wink:  I love finding out how things work too, just can't all ways get them back together the right way  :ummm:  there are often bits left over :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 28, 2016, 09:54:37 PM
Typically I have never had this issue on my XP box either

Now here is something that has yet to have been mentioned has anyone noticed that he names all his models the same thing "corps" and then in the file if we have duplicate names for material and then I load another item and it carries the same name as "corps" for its main body name and if there are mat files in there with the same name even though it is from a different folder what are the odds that it does not care as it found the first texture with the correct name "wall" for instance and that is what it loads ....

Possible??????

Don't have any of his buildings, only boats and the boat dock...so wouldn't have known that. That is possibly the issue, but would have to see exactly how it's written and labeled. I say that because 'body' is generic to a lot of props and characters. But if the textures themselves are 'corps' for every one of them, which sounds like what you're saying, yeah, that's a problem. I should think he would know better than that, or over there get busted for it in beta testing...IF they're really paying attention. His boats aren't like that. The names are similar but always a little different enough to be recognized for what they belong to.

If that IS it, there's a way to fix it but it would take a lot of editing and if you're not used to editing .mc6's or .pz2's then I don't recommend it, because if you mess up something in there it won't work at all. It's not hard really, just easy to mess up if you don't watch what you're doing.

 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 28, 2016, 10:15:43 PM
I love finding out how things work too, just can't all ways get them back together the right way  :ummm:  there are often bits left over :tearlaugh:

Never had that happen.
 :iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 29, 2016, 04:03:35 AM
[lifts up edge of rug, eyes the crunchy bits in the dust . . . hmmm!]

mmm HM!  K! 

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 29, 2016, 04:06:04 AM
1971s's Island sets are what captured my attention.  Then the boats, and the rest just mostly fell into the basket by accident here and there.  They're FUN!  Ok, kinda reminded me of American McGee's ALICE Wonderland stuff.  Fun.  :)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on June 29, 2016, 04:44:56 AM
If that IS it, there's a way to fix it but it would take a lot of editing and if you're not used to editing .mc6's or .pz2's then I don't recommend it, because if you mess up something in there it won't work at all. It's not hard really, just easy to mess up if you don't watch what you're doing.
If he save before a copy of the mc6 and/or pz2 that he modifies, for example on an USB key, if he makes a mistake he has the same than original files. I make often this now to have less mess between folders (and even on the pp2 and cr2).
After, just need to check of the change that you make works in Poser; if yes, you can remove the copy.

This takes time, for sure, but perhaps it's the step necessary if nothing changes J.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 29, 2016, 05:42:21 AM
After all the testing and poking it that we have done and finding the work around when needed I don't believe I want to get my hands that dirty writing new pz or mc6 files

Oh and in reference to the Win 10 updates and such, I do not and will not be connecting it to the web for any reason, definitely do not like the idea of WinBlows doing what it wants when it wants currently I download to Zangetsu and then transfer it to Stormbringer.

When it was first being built we got all the updates and apparently one service pack due to the size of it is why I say that and since then nope nada no internet for it.

Once I learn the trick of locking it down and off the web I will probably plug it into my router and then do file transfers over the home network, but first things first ... well not necessarily in that order
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 29, 2016, 06:28:45 AM
LOL!  Pretty good thinking J.  Didn't you say it has WiFi?  What about bluetooth?
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on June 29, 2016, 07:08:32 AM
J believe me, if i can work in mc6 and pz2 codes, you can if it becomes really necessary.
Because here, it's just a question to change a part of path to find textures.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 08:05:53 AM
Having looked at a boat this morning, it is what I thought. That's just the generic name for the body of the object. Just like V4 body or M4 body. If you go in the MAT room J, you'll see the material for the body is called something else, not 'corps'.
 
So you can all put your panties on straight again. :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 29, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
So you can all put your panties on straight again. :tearlaugh:

I only wear them on my head when creating gals with BIG hooters... Thank you very much!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 12:41:12 PM
I only wear them on my head when creating gals with BIG hooters... Thank you very much!
 :java:

I thought that was a bra you wore on your head :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 29, 2016, 02:27:30 PM
That was Weird Science yo!    dRaCX ain't weird! Or is he ain't science ? !   :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 29, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
Afternoon Ray! 

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 29, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
That was Weird Science yo!    dRaCX ain't weird! Or is he ain't science ? !   :OMFG:

Finally!!!  :crazysmile: :yippee: Someone who believes me!!!!

I am NOT weird, and I don't know ANYTHING about science!

 :angelstaff:
 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 29, 2016, 02:59:31 PM
Finally!!!  :crazysmile: :yippee: Someone who believes me!!!!

I am NOT weird, and I don't know ANYTHING about science!

 :angelstaff:
 
But were maybe on the wrong end of weird science?  :java: :Dragon:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 29, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
But were maybe on the wrong end of weird science?  :java: :Dragon:

 :OMFG: Shhhhhhhhh! I've never had anyone believe that before! Let me enjoy it please!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
That was Weird Science yo!    dRaCX ain't weird! Or is he ain't science ? !   :OMFG:

Um yes, I know!

As for him...just look at his avatar. He admits to nothing and denies all.                       :tearlaugh:
Boobs on the brain and a smidge of 'sympathetic magic' - i.e. "This is like that." Sorta.

Good afternoon to you as well McG!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 03:16:22 PM
:OMFG: Shhhhhhhhh! I've never had anyone believe that before! Let me enjoy it please!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Oh puhlese  :(ROFLMAO:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 03:44:06 PM
You know what you could call your 'hack' scripts, dR? "Utility Scripts". It's so boring though. I could think of a few others, like: "IDKWID-SDIFM." Or the "IJWTPB-SDIFM" and the ever popular "JDINWIC". Otherwise known as the "I Don't Know What I'm Doing-So Do It For Me," or "I Just Want to Push Buttons - So Do it For Me," and the "Just Do It When I Click."

 :madfun:


Even food preparation has 'hacks' these days. It's become a generic term for tips or processes for anything that makes it easy. Clothing hacks, makeup hacks, hair hacks...you name it, it's got a hack.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 29, 2016, 05:41:03 PM
As for him...just look at his avatar. He admits to nothing and denies all.                       :tearlaugh:
Boobs on the brain and a smidge of 'sympathetic magic' - i.e. "This is like that." Sorta.

Shame on you for saying such dreadful things like that!!
 :soapy:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
 :java: Who, me?

Just for that.... :40:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 29, 2016, 06:18:23 PM
Ah we so like the  :40: :hubbahubba:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 29, 2016, 06:19:16 PM
Clean up on aisle 3, mops and buckets please
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 06:21:36 PM
Indeed, Dreamer! Two of them drooling gets messy. A body could slip and fall!

:rain-rain: :rowrow:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 29, 2016, 06:23:49 PM
Sissy... try water skis
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 06:24:58 PM
I break easily. That's my excuse and I'm stickin' to it.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 29, 2016, 06:33:59 PM
Tis all right I can't swim .. so bring it on
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 06:49:08 PM
The mops and buckets? or the :rowrow:?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 29, 2016, 06:50:26 PM
Id say both
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 29, 2016, 07:12:46 PM
Id say both

I think the wisest thing too, hon :smiley:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 29, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
 :40: OoOoOoOoOoh, preeetty!  :hubbahubba:

One of my greatest weaknesses.... :thud:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 29, 2016, 07:54:34 PM
Dang. Clean up aisle 3 again, bring the extra large mop, bucket and a few :rain-rain:  plus  :rowrow:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 30, 2016, 12:42:14 AM
Oh my!  While  :40: is a lovely view,  :waveass: gets my attention!   :woohoo: :hubbahubba: :crazysmile: :yippee: :heeheehee: :feelgood:


McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 30, 2016, 12:07:14 PM
You know what you could call your 'hack' scripts, dR? "Utility Scripts". It's so boring though. I could think of a few others, like: "IDKWID-SDIFM." Or the "IJWTPB-SDIFM" and the ever popular "JDINWIC". Otherwise known as the "I Don't Know What I'm Doing-So Do It For Me," or "I Just Want to Push Buttons - So Do it For Me," and the "Just Do It When I Click."

 :madfun:


Even food preparation has 'hacks' these days. It's become a generic term for tips or processes for anything that makes it easy. Clothing hacks, makeup hacks, hair hacks...you name it, it's got a hack.

Yeah!  Ain't that some stuff!  HACK this and HACK that and HACK the other and it just HACKS me off sometimes!   ARRRGGHHH!!!   I remember when WE were the "hackers".  Legit everyday working folks burning the midnight oil 'hacking' out our little projects in breadboard, kynar 29 ga wire, long legged sockets and components.  Fun days.   My eldest daughter just tossed some of my old stuff out getting ready to sell the old property.  I reminded her some of that stuff was her age.   She was 38 in April.  Gee.  Her kids are clamoring for me to HACK up them a 'pooter now!  LOL!
McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 30, 2016, 12:11:13 PM
:40: OoOoOoOoOoh, preeetty!  :hubbahubba:

One of my greatest weaknesses.... :thud:

They really are.  I wonder who they belong to?   :hubbahubba: :bouncy:
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 30, 2016, 12:20:16 PM
Yeah!  Ain't that some stuff!  HACK this and HACK that and HACK the other and it just HACKS me off sometimes!   ARRRGGHHH!!!   I remember when WE were the "hackers".  Legit everyday working folks burning the midnight oil 'hacking' out our little projects in breadboard, kynar 29 ga wire, long legged sockets and components.  Fun days.   My eldest daughter just tossed some of my old stuff out getting ready to sell the old property.  I reminded her some of that stuff was her age.   She was 38 in April.  Gee.  Her kids are clamoring for me to HACK up them a 'pooter now!  LOL!
McG.   :java:

Don't even get me started on that subject about one's offspring. Tell her to sell it and buy their own damned computer.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on June 30, 2016, 12:34:01 PM
[gives Rayvn that knowing old eyed look]  She hasn't finished paying ME for that property yet.   Sigh.   :OMFG:

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 30, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
[gives Rayvn that knowing old eyed look]  She hasn't finished paying ME for that property yet.   Sigh.   :OMFG:

McG.   :java:

Then if she sells it, she owes you first. Yup.... That's how they are now.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on June 30, 2016, 06:30:11 PM
Yeah, don't get me started on hacks,hacking,and hackers....funny how people tend to forget who actually created the web...lol But, it is what it is...

Anywho....UPDATE:

I have tried over and over to write a python script to wipe the cache in Poser while suspended in a open state without a restart but no luck! The script works yes, but you still have to restart Poser before seeing the effect.

So in short...the script is useless! Keep in mind though, my knowledge of python isn't up to date. I did spend two hrs looking through the new routines but was unable to find anything useful.

At least I tried right?!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 30, 2016, 06:34:54 PM
Yes, you did and we are appreciative of thy efforts on the communities behalf

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on June 30, 2016, 06:38:11 PM
Better to have tried and failed than to have not tried at all :thumb_up: :peek:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 30, 2016, 06:48:30 PM
Hip hip
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on June 30, 2016, 07:11:34 PM
@ dR

Does it clear out the un-parented stuff? If the other stuff is a matter of closing Poser - but that un-parented stuff is still in there (because Poser doesn't know what to do with it and you can't manually delete it), then if your script gets rid of that, then it could be used for that - "Clear Un-Parented Textures".

You did say if you've rendered something with that stuff still in there, it gets stuck in there, right? I may be confused at this point, just let me know.

Yes, better to have tried and know better!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on June 30, 2016, 07:17:14 PM
Oh my that do sound nice ... look forward to details
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 12:01:01 PM
So you get a fresh rendered texture and not whatever one you had before 'hack' per Phil C. and Snarly G. is attached below. This is the only way per them to get a fresh texture on a re-load each time.

Just delivering. Not the doer.



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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 12:02:05 PM
From overhead menu: EDIT > General Preferences > Render Tab.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 12:05:54 PM
Will have to test this ... my thanks
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 12:07:05 PM
From overhead menu: EDIT > General Preferences > Render Tab.

Yep we knew but for those that do not ... follow the instructions
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 12:24:28 PM
It was mostly for those who don't, in case they read this. I think WE all know. :tearlaugh:

According to them there IS "No known way to get rid of un-parented files in the Mat Room that we know of" - and that's the Script Guru and the MAT Room Guru speaking. If they don't know, who does?

It works per them.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
Testing the settings provided now
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 02, 2016, 12:39:47 PM
Thank ya Mam! You're a real sweetheart!
 :peek:

Note:

You'll still need to clear out the texture cache from time to time manually if you like a clean list as Poser doesn't fully clear it when you click the "Clear cache now" button. It only wipes the render cache for some reason.

You can do so manually by locating your cache folder based on your version of Poser.

Example:

"C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Temp\Poser Pro\9\PoserTextureCache"

Or you can create a batch file to quickly clean it for you with just a few lines of code in a text editor and save as a .bat file.

Example: without ""

"@echo off"
"color 0f"
"del "%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Temp\Poser Pro\9\PoserTextureCache"
"goto :ex"
":ex"
"echo"
"echo Press any key to close!"
"pause >nul"

Save as "PoserTexPurge.bat" and you're good to go if you like a quick solution!

Hope this helps....see, I do care after all huh!
 :java:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 12:45:45 PM
Mind you raw code scares me faster then Kianna scares the rest of you lot  ....
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: thelufias on July 02, 2016, 12:50:29 PM
I'd take my chances with the code~much safer....   :java: 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
So very much a sissy still .. Kianna is your friend ... truly
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 02, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
Mind you raw code scares me faster then Kianna scares the rest of you lot  ....

Oh don't be such a sissy! It's just a few lines...even if you did screw it up, it just simply wouldn't do anything! Do you honestly think I'd post complex code for those around here?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NOT!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
Yeah, don't get me started on hacks,hacking,and hackers....funny how people tend to forget who actually created the web...lol But, it is what it is...

Anywho....UPDATE:

I have tried over and over to write a python script to wipe the cache in Poser while suspended in a open state without a restart but no luck! The script works yes, but you still have to restart Poser before seeing the effect.

So in short...the script is useless! Keep in mind though, my knowledge of python isn't up to date. I did spend two hrs looking through the new routines but was unable to find anything useful.

At least I tried right?!
 :java:

Yessir, you did and it is appreciated!    :thumb_up:

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
Yes, you do care. I know that. Not to mention you got a migraine for it all...and everything else yesterday :thud:

I just tried the un-parented texture test and they were right, it doesn't keep them out of the file itself, as you can see from the PrintInfo > Files List in the corner there. The default is the blond that stayed from when I purposely selected V4 (not accidentally as usuall) and added the Red02 two color. Then I selected the hair and applied the Red color, which you see here. The Red02 textures are NOT in the list though, but the Blond still is. I don't know and can't know because I stupidly didn't save the changes to my 'testing' pz3 and now since I closed it, if the blond went away or what.

DUH.   

Mind where the slider is in the file... There's more 'Red' above that showing.

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
So you get a fresh rendered texture and not whatever one you had before 'hack' per Phil C. and Snarly G. is attached below. This is the only way per them to get a fresh texture on a re-load each time.

Just delivering. Not the doer.

Hey good one Ray!   It actually makes sense.  With a zero cache size it has to load textures every time it needs one, for anything.   But I had been thinking that was what "Reload Textures" in the Render Menu did.  Though I've seen it might not do the job sometimes.  Thanks for that tip!
McG.  :)
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 01:42:09 PM
Please thank dRaCX, McG - not me.

I just delivered it for him as a favor.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Thank ya Mam! You're a real sweetheart!
 :peek:

Note:

You'll still need to clear out the texture cache from time to time manually if you like a clean list as Poser doesn't fully clear it when you click the "Clear cache now" button. It only wipes the render cache for some reason.

You can do so manually by locating your cache folder based on your version of Poser.

Example:

"C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Temp\Poser Pro\9\PoserTextureCache"

Or you can create a batch file to quickly clean it for you with just a few lines of code in a text editor and save as a .bat file.

Example: without ""

"@echo off"
"color 0f"
"del "%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Temp\Poser Pro\9\PoserTextureCache"
"goto :ex"
":ex"
"echo"
"echo Press any key to close!"
"pause >nul"

Save as "PoserTexPurge.bat" and you're good to go if you like a quick solution!

Hope this helps....see, I do care after all huh!
 :java:

Yeah ya do!    I saw the little batch file commands and smiled.   Used to live in the CLI in DOS.   Had to!  With ol Bills perspective back when, "Who's ever gonna need more than a meg of ram anyway?" forcing us to squeeze every byte we could into high memory and leave as much of the lower 640K as possible open for programs.   Shit.  Honest man, while there was great fun and satisfaction in accomplishments I do NOT want to go back to that!  LOL!   What I WANT to do is use these great programs and have my fun playing at being an artist!  I got tired of batch files, fixing .exe's and .com files in a bit nibbler.  Yeah, half of what we did back then was fix stuff up so we could RUN the programs, then maybe a fourth of the time using the programs, and the other fourth was talking with each other and swapping fixes and info.  Yeah it was fun, sure.  And I enjoyed myself a lot.  Heck even our games had tons of editing to be done.  Quake1 on up thru Q3A, Unreal, Half-Life and HL2.  Always needing some bit of something somewhere.   
Thanks for the effort and caring dRaCX!   :o)

McG. 

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
On my third without creating a new scene and so far so good
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 02:01:18 PM
I still don't know why they won't create a "Clear Texture List" function/button that wipes out all textures in the list not currently in use?  THAT one makes a little sense as it's at least a little bit useful!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 02:03:11 PM
Maybe because it doesn't work all the time either and is a bit unstable?

Just a guess.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
Well fell apart on number three ........ rats

Still we have the work around so no problems

.... and we are so happy to see all the work done by all trying to figure out a solution to this glitch

My thanks
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 02:29:22 PM
Oh don't be such a sissy! It's just a few lines...even if you did screw it up, it just simply wouldn't do anything! Do you honestly think I'd post complex code for those around here?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NOT!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:


Valid point
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 02:54:30 PM
Well fell apart on number three ........ rats

Still we have the work around so no problems

.... and we are so happy to see all the work done by all trying to figure out a solution to this glitch

My thanks

You rendered all three of them? Hmmmm.

There's "Reload Textures" as well in the Render menu.


Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
Yeah, and why HIS stuff?!?!  1971s has made some pretty sets, and they really do add flavor to the scenes.  Compared to other prop sets of a similar nature, his are dirt cheap.  BUT, why the texture clash thing?  I will keep looking at this one cause I keep using his props.  Heh!  :o)

Why doesn't it foul up as terribly when I am working up a V4 based character, trying out a dozen or more character set textures?  Now that should be even worse eh?

McG. :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 04:24:37 PM
Indeed good sir tis only when I change my mind and try to go to a different building that we find the anomaly 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 04:40:01 PM
If you're loading one building and then loading another, are you removing or deleting the building first and then Saving the file. That's how it knows what's new in the scene. because it writes it to the .pz3 scene. Then add the new building and texture and render it. Does it happen if you empty the scene and then save it? 

However...isn't there an image somewhere that needs to be made available some time today? :smiley:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 04:46:21 PM
Very Good Point!   J, we want a picture!  We want a picture!  Render us a picture!   :hurry!!: :yes: :CHAPLI:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 05:16:41 PM
I just delete the building and do not save the scene at that point ... never have in the past ... so never knew there was a problem

.... and the previous program was XP Pro 64 bit

Using 10 Pro 64 bit now
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 05:17:52 PM
Very Good Point!   J, we want a picture!  We want a picture!  Render us a picture!   :hurry!!: :yes: :CHAPLI:

Not my meaning there, McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
I just delete the building and do not save the scene at that point ... never have in the past ... so never knew there was a problem

.... and the previous program was XP Pro 64 bit

Using 10 Pro 64 bit now

There are things that have changed between various versions' coding structures from then to now, J.  Just because it isn't visually different doesn't mean it's not structurally different. Doesn't mean because it was one way once doesn't mean it's still going to be that way. That's just Poser. XP is a way different operating system than 10. 7 was even different from XP - it just looked similar. 10 is not playing well with 7 on upgrades. Or 8 for that matter.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
And this is what we are learning, so apparently we need to go through the learning curve a bit before we start getting overly cranky
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 05:44:52 PM
Yup. That's exactly right. :winks:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
Nothing is ever the same  ... is it  .... one would have hoped for painless transition but I guess that is only an injection away via thy lovely nurse Kianna :heeheehee:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 02, 2016, 06:58:03 PM
Nothing is ever the same  ... is it  .... one would have hoped for painless transition but I guess that is only an injection away via thy lovely nurse Kianna :heeheehee:

There isn't a damn thing painless about the transition from XP to Win10!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 07:01:54 PM
J, I sometimes get the impression you're just a bit masochistic.   :OMFG:

McG. :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 07:32:19 PM
:iminnocent: Maybe
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 02, 2016, 07:48:32 PM
Oh ho!  So you'd MAYBE stick your tweeter in a hand cranked roller wringer to see IF it hurt?  OR ... nooo I ain't going there.  This is a nice forum and I messed it up enough as it is!   ;o)

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 02, 2016, 07:48:45 PM
There isn't a damn thing painless about the transition from XP to Win10!
 :java:

Well did hope for a slightly less painful transition but we did think that was never going to happen any time soon.

Somehow managed to not get the character map option installed can access it, mind you, but now the next question is how to add it to the "all app" drop down or task manager bar or what ever it is called
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 08:09:24 PM
Well did hope for a slightly less painful transition but we did think that was never going to happen any time soon.

Somehow managed to not get the character map option installed can access it, mind you, but now the next question is how to add it to the "all app" drop down or task manager bar or what ever it is called

I have no idea what you're talking about here in the last paragraph. :ummm:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 02, 2016, 08:10:02 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about here in the last paragraph. :ummm:

Oh yes, Thank you, sir! Wasn't expecting THAT!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 02, 2016, 08:37:50 PM
 :Felix:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 12:51:03 AM
In Windows what we typically call Accessories there is a option called Character map for the special characters such as à, °, ©, é and so forth

it is missing in mine I finally found the way to access it but not how to add it back in to where it should have been all along
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 03, 2016, 02:05:19 AM
Right, you're used to XP.   In all the newer versions of W, it should be in All Programs>Accessories>System Tools.  Thats in W7 though.  Haven't checked on the tablet with W10 yet.
Just checked, in W10 it's right where you said it should be:  Accessories folder>Character Map.  :o)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 05:24:52 AM
My point is that it is not in that location at all.

 I have to do a song and dance to get to it. Now that I have found it how do I get the shortcut relocated to where it should be?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
Can't you open the Properties on the Shortcut and edit it to where it should be?

Or did they change that too?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:19:18 AM
Well, I can get to the properties tab and look at the details but since I do not know what the proper path name should be I am quite reluctant to break it any more then I already have:

This is what it shows now as its location on the General Tab of the properties window

C:\Users\Dumathion\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\User Pinned\TaskBar
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 08:37:35 AM
Can you find your Fonts folder in your Windows OS files in your programs files?

Unless they've changed it which is entirely possible, there should be an option in your Fonts pop-up window that you can click on and get the Character map "Find Character" is what it's called if memory serves. Just change the link to where the Fonts folder is in your system. It should be in the browser window when you find it. Copy it from there and paste it in or type it in.

...unless they've changed all that in 10. I couldn't tell you.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
On Win7 it's in

C:\\Windows\Fonts

"Find a character"

What it is on 10 - shrugs.......
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:55:08 AM
That was one of the ways I used to find it so yes to your musings as how to find it, will have to try that in a bit right now we are off to do laundry as I have to go out of town on Tuesday and the domestic rubbish requires attention.

Tried to let them air dry after adding fabric softener and they were still stiff as a board so going off to dry them in a commercial dryer.

Really need to get some coins together to buy a new gas dryer soon as this is getting old.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 10:33:28 AM
My point is that it is not in that location at all.

 I have to do a song and dance to get to it. Now that I have found it how do I get the shortcut relocated to where it should be?

That's easy! Put the shortcut in this location:
"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories"

 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 12:46:02 PM

Tried to let them air dry after adding fabric softener and they were still stiff as a board so going off to dry them in a commercial dryer.

Ohhh, must not be Levi's then.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 12:47:33 PM
That's easy! Put the shortcut in this location:
"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories"

 :java:

Can't you find it in the Windows folders, right click on it and say "Send to Start Menu" in 10?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 01:05:44 PM
Can't you find it in the Windows folders, right click on it and say "Send to Start Menu" in 10?

You can pin it to start yes, but the physical location of the folders did change from win7 to win8.1-10 as you can see in the screenshot.

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 01:12:39 PM
Hmmmmm. I see those later OS's DID in FACT remove the Users\UsersName\AppData\... files. Yes?

I seem to remember someone saying I was full of beans about that.

:Fae01:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 01:32:10 PM
Hmmmmm. I see those later OS's DID in FACT remove the Users\UsersName\AppData\... files. Yes?

I seem to remember someone saying I was full of beans about that.

 :Fae01:

Well, no...the user profile folders remain, they just moved things around a bit. Nothing launches from the same directories as Win7. Not sure why they structured it like that, makes very little sense, just looks like a new system...when in reality it isn't....S.O.S, just different arrangement!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 02:16:02 PM
On Win7 it's in

C:\\Windows\Fonts

"Find a character"

What it is on 10 - shrugs.......

Control Panel > All Control Panel Items > Fonts >Find  a Character


No path given as to how you get there but that is


Tried to edit the general tab with the info provided but apparently I can't edit that tab

Looks like I can edit the Shortcut tab until the "Target" field

I guess this is the one I change ... yes?

Right now it says C:\Windows\System32\charmap.exe

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 02:17:46 PM
I know the User profiles (..\Users\Public and ..\Users\UserName are still there.

But where's the AppData part? It's not in there like it is in Windows 7. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 02:19:43 PM
dR's going to have to answer that because he has it and I don't.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 02:22:26 PM
Tis all good we can wait for the definitive directions as we are still unwinding from my trip to the :waveass: place :iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
 :OMFG:

Listen up kiddies! If I have to say this twice then someone is getting a spanking!

The charmap.exe is and must always be in the system32 folder, so therefore it must always be the target! But the shortcut is normally in one of the locations I provided in the screenshot!

 :java:

PS....Don't make me spank you!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
Don't make me flambé you!  :#1kitteh: :gremlin:

I can't look at it so...... How would I know?
That's why you had to answer.

So there! :nanana:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Don't make me flambé you! 

I can't look at it so...... How would I know?
That's why you had to answer.

So there!

You're gonna fart on me????
 :OMFG:

You should know...charmap.exe has always been in systems32 folder from Win95 to Win10....the only things that changed is the shortcut locations!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
 :ummm: I will only allow Kianna to spank me ... maybe

Nonetheless I am obviously trying to edit this in the wrong spot which is not surprising since I do not typically muck about with things of this nature


Any way the properties tab does have a tab called shortcut and it does point at the C:\Windows\System32\charmap.exe

So after the spanking is over where do I enter the details you provided earlier to get this to play properly ...
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
When you're in the Properties > Shortcuts tab...there's no button there that says "Open File Location" so you can see where it goes? or is? If you see where it is you should be able to create the shortcut on it to your desk-top or Start Menu by right-clicking on it...?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 05:24:56 PM
The button you mention does exist yes it tells me what we have already seen from the shortcut tab of the property window.

Creating a shortcut on the desktop is about the same as me pinning it to the task bar

Doesn't give me the option of sending it to the start menu ....
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 05:40:16 PM
You're kidding right???
 :OMFG:

Drag and drop the shortcut into the folder location shown in the screenshot for win 8.1 - 10! Once done, make sure the target is charmap.exe in systems32 and you're done!

The quickest way to a person's heart is straight through the rib cage!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
No not kidding although I mess about with computers my level of skill compared to thee and others at work I am the babe crawling on their knees.

Now I did understand your instructions this time and did follow them and

ta-da


It is now where it should have been from the get go and it does work properly


Many thanks.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 06:23:40 PM
I apologize my friend, I was under the assumption that you knew more about computers....my bad!

I'll go ahead and post this step by step to show how it's done (my way) because it's faster...LOL You can save it for the future.

Step 1: find the exe in systems32 and make a shortcut to desktop.

Step 2: Navigate to the System Tools folder.
Exact Location: "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories\System Tools"

Step 3: Drag and drop the shortcut into the Tools Folder. Make sure to rename it to Character Map, and set the target to %windir%\system32\charmap.exe and save.

Step 4: All done! It's in the start menu and ready to use!
 :java:

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 06:57:01 PM
Tis all good .. I know enough to get in trouble and sound incredibly dim on more then one occasion.

However I just navigated to the destination shown in the first post then dragged and dropped my shortcut in there and renamed it to just character map and tested it multiple times

Unpinned it from the task bar and then tested again and as mentioned it is working like it should .. and I can get to it from the start menu > all apps > Windows Accessories > Character Map

So :yippee:

My thanks good sir for being patient
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 07:05:46 PM
Sorry, since it is 10 I should have stayed out. Guess I was more confusing than helpful.

Apples and Oranges, apparently.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 07:11:46 PM
Tis all right I have a blender here and twixt the two of thee I was able to make sense of it and did resolve it at long last
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 07:54:49 PM
We have been doing some other test renders of the odds and ends in my runtimes and now that I sort of have a clue as to lights to use and texture map setting my render times have gone down significantly ... popped out one of the crazy room sets from Cybertenko called War Room and used one of the provided camera settings and light packs.

Bang 11minutes 33 seconds

Did another one previously the Steam Dragon.

An airplane sort of, kind of, and yes it is typically a beast on the XP box the Win 10 box took less then 10 minutes
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:05:20 PM
Ok boys and girls...group hug!!!
 :feelgood:

Or was that grope hug? I get confused!
 :lost:

Can't wait til Dreamer gets here...she pinches!
 :crazysmile: :yippee:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:06:55 PM
I do Not!






I bite  :java: random_dragon
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:10:45 PM
I do Not! I bite

 :woohoo: Even BETTER!!!!!
 :crazysmile: :yippee:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:13:02 PM
 :grin:  You say that now......
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:14:48 PM
Hey J I know you mush have put the spec's of Stormbringer up some where woud you be able to point me to them please? I would like to have a reference point for when/if I upgrade my pc
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
I would have gotten an Alienware....just saying..
 :iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Stormbringer evolved from my original starting point but we will get a fresh compilation up for all twixt now and the morrow.

I seem to recall having links for some of the items so give me a bit and if we have the links still available we will provide them as well.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:23:00 PM
I would have gotten an Alienware....just saying..
 :iminnocent:

Snicker
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:23:53 PM
I do Not!


I bite  :java: random_dragon

:yippee:

:woohoo:

Bring it on young lady
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:24:42 PM
Thanks J.
dRaCX they do have some nice monsters but I think the postage issue would kill it for me   :winks:  Have to go with a local build
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:25:22 PM
Ok boys and girls...group hug!!!
 :feelgood:

Or was that grope hug? I get confused!
 :lost:

Can't wait til Dreamer gets here...she pinches!
 :crazysmile: :yippee:

We like a grope hug with more ladies ... love it when they pinch and bite
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:25:32 PM
:yippee:

:woohoo:

Bring it on young lady
*facepalm*
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
She kinda set herself up with the whole "I bite" comment didn't she...LOL

 :pervy: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:30:14 PM
:woohoo: Gotcha
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:31:03 PM
She kinda set herself up with the whole "I bite" comment didn't she...LOL

 :pervy: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Indeed the saying of "fish in a barrel" do come to my mind
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:31:42 PM
:woohoo: Even BETTER!!!!!
 :crazysmile: :yippee:

Absolutely
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:32:11 PM
You do know some times be bitten can lead to a not so good ending for the one that got bit
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:34:55 PM
Such a tease are thee not ... some of us are immune to all sorts of infections, alterations and so forth to ones biological condition.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:36:17 PM
You do know some times be bitten can lead to a not so good ending for the one that got bit

Yes, but then again...sometimes it can lead to one hell of a great time!
 :40: :hubbahubba:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:39:17 PM
Seconded
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:39:19 PM
Yes, but then again...sometimes it can lead to one hell of a great time!
 :40: :hubbahubba:
Yes I know, :java:  pity the weekend wasnt longer
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:40:33 PM
Fortunately Monday is a holiday here in the States so .... long weekend :yippee:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:42:59 PM
Fortunately Monday is a holiday here in the States so .... long weekend :yippee:
Its not here, other wise I wouldnt be home
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:44:34 PM
Yes I know, :java:  pity the weekend wasnt longer


 :thud:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
Well, Tuesday I am to go to Ft. Myers and stay for the next three days, which I found out on Friday an hour before knocking off for the day and to add insult to this scenario Tuesday is my birthday ... cranky we are ... still ...
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:45:44 PM

 :thud:



Makes one think of certain possibilities do it not
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:46:06 PM
And with every right to be I would say
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:46:56 PM
Makes one think of certain possibilities do it not

 :iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:50:20 PM
And with every right to be I would say

My thanks for understanding
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 08:50:53 PM
My thanks for understanding
:havesum:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 08:54:53 PM
Makes one think of certain possibilities do it not

Indeed it do!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 08:59:46 PM
Indeed it do!



And some of them we try to refrain from spelling out in detail .... :heeheehee:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 09:03:39 PM
Not to change the subject...but I was noticing the character Roxie has excellent rigging and plenty of mesh to work with.

Her rig in the hips is outstanding for full range motion.
 :pervy:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
Hey J I know you mush have put the spec's of Stormbringer up some where woud you be able to point me to them please? I would like to have a reference point for when/if I upgrade my pc

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I have dual power supplies on my system one for the tower and one for the graphics card

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Not to change the subject...but I was noticing the character Roxie has excellent rigging and plenty of mesh to work with.

Her rig in the hips is outstanding for full range motion.
 :pervy:

Did someone say :pervy:


Where ... where
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 09:08:57 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 09:14:34 PM
Thanks


I did change all of my cooling fans after the fact, I will have to look that up in the morning so as to have the correct details to provide to you.

Granted it is a little louder then I would like during normal operation. But when it is in sleep mode the noise level drops to unnoticeable.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 03, 2016, 09:17:08 PM
I did change all of my cooling fans after the fact, I will have to look that up in the morning so as to have the correct details to provide to you.

Granted it is a little louder then I would like during normal operation. But when it is in sleep mode the noise level drops to unnoticeable.
Then again with no less then five case fans and then the fan for the processor yes it might be a bit noticeable.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 09:39:04 PM
Not to change the subject...but I was noticing the character Roxie has excellent rigging and plenty of mesh to work with.

Her rig in the hips is outstanding for full range motion.
 :pervy:

Imagine me crossing my eyes and rolling them upward. Dang it's hard to type like that, but that's what I'm doing at the moment. Both a ya's. You too Dreamer.

:tearlaugh: :pervy: 


"Oh my'es!" :fainting: 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
Then again with no less then five case fans and then the fan for the processor yes it might be a bit noticeable.

You always did want to have the biggest box-fort on the block as a kid - didn't you, J?

 :lost:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 10:22:37 PM
Imagine me crossing my eyes and rolling them upward. Dang it's hard to type like that, but that's what I'm doing at the moment. Both a ya's. You too Dreamer.

 :tearlaugh: :pervy: 


"Oh my'es!" :fainting:
eh What? What did I do? :3flower;
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 10:41:29 PM
Got back in their faces :grin:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 10:45:29 PM
Got back in their faces :grin:
:iminnocent: :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 03, 2016, 11:10:01 PM
Mmmmm - hmmmmmmmm.

I know :yes:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 03, 2016, 11:12:02 PM
Mmmmm - hmmmmmmmm.

I know :yes:
Well I had to set them right on the pinching thing :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 11:23:16 PM
Got back in their faces :grin:

 :nanana:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 03, 2016, 11:43:02 PM
Yes, but then again...sometimes it can lead to one hell of a great time!
 :40: :hubbahubba:

like, sliding downhill sideways full speed into your, um, COFFIN?      :heeheehee:           :yippee: :crazysmile: :(ROFLMAO:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 03, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
like, sliding downhill sideways full speed into your, um, COFFIN?      :heeheehee:           :yippee: :crazysmile: :(ROFLMAO:

Coffin, Box, Muffin, whatever they're calling it these days.
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 03, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
See?!?!  See all the FUN stuff I end up *SLEEPING* through when I nod off at 5pm?!?!?  GAH!   And now, its bedtime.  DOH!    :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 12:26:59 AM
like, sliding downhill sideways full speed into your, um, COFFIN?      :heeheehee:           :yippee: :crazysmile: :(ROFLMAO:


Heeee-YAW!!!!



Why is it now I have the urge to play the video of The Kurghan in the Church?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 12:27:35 AM
:grin:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 04, 2016, 07:21:43 AM
Kurgan in organ in the church?  Whazzat?!?
McG. :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 04, 2016, 07:50:04 AM
You always did want to have the biggest box-fort on the block as a kid - didn't you, J?

 :lost:

:Felix: Maybe :iminnocent: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
Kurgan in organ in the church?  Whazzat?!?
McG. :OMFG:

Organ?

:ummm: Where'd I mention that?

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
Maybe this will help?


https://youtu.be/y4CZfac0N0E
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 04, 2016, 10:35:41 AM

Uh, well, well, every time a Kurgan farts, a demon gets his wings...


phhert pherrt ....oh joy...

TWINS!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
You were just waiting for an opportunity to say that, weren't you?

 :madfun:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 04, 2016, 11:23:32 AM
You were just waiting for an opportunity to say that, weren't you?

 :madfun:

Uh...Nope, would never do such a thing!
 :angelstaff:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 11:46:22 AM
Mmmm-hmmmm.  :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 04, 2016, 03:53:14 PM
Well, another reference I had to look up, man we definitely have led a sheltered life
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 05:18:11 PM
Which was that, pray-tell?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 04, 2016, 05:19:59 PM
The Kurghan in the Church
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 04, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
 :thud:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 04, 2016, 05:29:05 PM
I seeeeee.........  :Felix:

Serious, indeed.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 04, 2016, 07:00:15 PM
The Kurghan in the Church

 :OMFG: We need some "Smack U Upside Da Head" emotes!!! You didn't see Highlander??? What world did you say you were from again?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 04, 2016, 07:04:10 PM
Possibly
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 03:26:33 AM
I just saw Highlander my birthday evening, I recall Kurgan in the church, don't recall that song playing during the scene!   I just woke up, so might appear a bit dimmer than usual   :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 03:27:54 AM
"Possibly" hmm looked all thru the star charts.  Don't see that one no where!    :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 03:30:01 AM
 :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :drHiJack: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked:

 :pervy: :tearlaugh: :crazysmile: :yippee:

McG.     :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 05:08:54 AM
:OMFG: We need some "Smack U Upside Da Head" emotes!!! You didn't see Highlander??? What world did you say you were from again?

Now now I have seen Highlander, maybe once or twice thinking it was the TV series though, but that was a couple of decades ago and we have enough trouble remembering what I had for dinner last night let alone a character seen once or twice
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 05:09:41 AM
:hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :drHiJack: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked: :hijacked:

 :pervy: :tearlaugh: :crazysmile: :yippee:

McG.     :java:

Yep it qualifies
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 09:11:56 AM
The song doesn't play in the scene. The Kurgan says, "Now listen to me. I got somethin' ta say!. It's better to burn out than fade away!" Which is a line from "Pyromania" by Def Leppard.


In response to: "Slidin' sideways into your coffin" up the ways in the thread

..........or coffee.

:thud:







Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
[slowly connects the dots] AHHHhhhhh!  I see now!   Bit slow on the uptake.  Got VA visit to Dr. tomorrow.  It will be a day I'm afraid. 
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 05, 2016, 11:23:55 AM
It is nearly impossible to declare a thread hijacked in these halls. At times, the biggest offenders are the owners!
 :java:

Thus is why we are in the nut-house.. None of us are very stable to begin with!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
It is nearly impossible to declare a thread hijacked in these halls. At times, the biggest offenders are the owners!
 :java:

Thus is why we are in the nut-house.. None of us are very stable to begin with!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Mmmmmmm, generally starting with :kianna:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 11:36:38 AM
Oops, did I just start something?  :madfun:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 11:38:59 AM
[slowly connects the dots] AHHHhhhhh!  I see now!   Bit slow on the uptake.  Got VA visit to Dr. tomorrow.  It will be a day I'm afraid. 
McG.

Don't envy you there. Hope all's well.

That's alright, I'm used to having to explain my sense of humor. Sort of.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 05, 2016, 11:57:22 AM
Mmmmmmm, generally starting with [WARNING: REPULSIVE CONTENT!!]

That was just WRONG!!!!
 :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 12:40:40 PM
That was just WRONG!!!!
 :OMFG:

Yeah, well..... What can I say? She isn't mine.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
She tends to restate the obvious from time to time.  At times.   :iminnocent:     :crazysmile: :yippee: :winks:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 12:44:53 PM
Oh yes,  :confet: :bday2: :confet: birthday boy :smiley:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 12:48:45 PM
She tends to restate the obvious from time to time.  At times.   :iminnocent:     :crazysmile: :yippee: :winks:


You talkin' to me, McG?

That's because I'm never sure.... Sometimes what I think is obvious isn't.

I learned that many years ago. It made me sit down on the ground and :sadder:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 12:54:20 PM
Oh, NO Rayvn!  That was for dRaCX edification!  Like he needs any . . . or something.   

Wow, am I ever  s l o w today.  Just now sipping my 3rd cuppa  :java: since yesterday!   :OMFG:

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
:tearlaugh: I see.


Mostly he's just giving me and J grief, because... it's what he does.

He does have principles, you know. Maybe they're just his but he does have them.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 05, 2016, 04:50:53 PM
 :OMFG:
Edification.....Principles???

There you all go again using big words I don't understand!!

 :fainting:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
:bs:

Perhaps if I said 'I got ma princ'ples and that aint one of 'em!'
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 05:28:13 PM
:OMFG: We need some "Smack U Upside Da Head" emotes!!! You didn't see Highlander??? What world did you say you were from again?

The only smacked up the head one we have is

:duh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 05:29:33 PM
It is nearly impossible to declare a thread hijacked in these halls. At times, the biggest offenders are the owners!
 :java:

Thus is why we are in the nut-house.. None of us are very stable to begin with!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Use never we would ever do such a crass, and discourteous thing to our valued members :iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 05:35:18 PM
Oh yes,  :confet: :bday2: :confet: birthday boy :smiley:

Thank you very much now if the day didn't have to start with a four hour drive to Ft. Myers and then get thrown into a scenario not even close to what was described and then to add insult, no per diem put it on the credit card, which is fine mind you, it is just the concept of being frugal and having some left over.

Now there is no bonus or incentive in my mind to be told at the last minute by the way we need you in Ft. Myers or anywhere and sorry we didn't have time to cut you a check ... especially when we find out from the guys here that oh we knew you were going to be coming here for three weeks.

Really ... :rat-atat:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 05:36:37 PM
Mmmmmmm, generally starting with :kianna:


Never her, she just got a clean bill of health, mental and physical just the other day ... :iminnocent:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 05, 2016, 07:26:40 PM
UH   ohhhhh.  !!!     :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 07:57:12 PM
Who gave her the check up? Karth's Doctor Mabusa?
A Nightgaunt?*
One of MV's clowns?

Just askin'!

:ummm:

Although I don't think this inquiring mind really wants to know. Ya know whad I'm sayin'?

On second thought, just :zipit: Ray.


* H. P. Lovecraft monstrosity. "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath"
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 08:14:59 PM
Wonder if that story is in the collection of the Lovecraft volume I bought yesterday?

Will have to see if I can find the passage referring to the Nightguant though and see if it the same as the ones in the Forgotten Realms/Ravenloft universe
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 08:21:57 PM
I think they are but not sure. They're likely very similar.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 08:24:31 PM
Did you get the one with "Nyarlathhotep" as the first story?

I seriously think he was writing about Nikola Tesla there - 'the dark man with his infernal machines'.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 05, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
I haven't even had a chance to crack the cover due to having to be here in Ft. Myers

however this is the one I got from

 Barnes and Nobel  (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/h-p-lovecraft-h-p-lovecraft/1100240763?ean=9781435140370)

Has 20 of his stories in it.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 05, 2016, 08:44:00 PM
I haven't even had a chance to crack the cover due to having to be here in Ft. Myers

however this is the one I got from

 Barnes and Nobel  (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/h-p-lovecraft-h-p-lovecraft/1100240763?ean=9781435140370)

Has 20 of his stories in it.

Mine's from 1963 - Lol. Sounds like it has the same stories plus for as this one I'm looking at, and it's not in that one...unless it's one of the four additional ones.

You will learn what "non-Euclidian" geometry is about in "Dreams In the Witch House". It's a real head twister and trip, if you stop and imagine what he's saying exactly. "The Silver-Key" - if in there - is an amazing story in it's depth. "The Music of Erich Zann" is excellent too. They all are, really...if you get into his writing style which is very atmospheric, mad and creepy.

I'm quite fond of HPL - especially his novel "At the Mountains of Madness". I so wanted someone to fund Guillermo del Toro to make it. (Hellboy, Sin City, Pan's Labyrinth). It's a creepy freeking story!! 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 06, 2016, 01:01:28 AM
Who gave her the check up? Karth's Doctor Mabusa?


KURGHAN!    :java:


McG.  ( :crazysmile: :yippee: :winks: :tearlaugh: )
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 06, 2016, 05:42:22 AM
Not even, he scares her it was none other then her ever bashful Luffie
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 06, 2016, 07:11:24 AM
No no no no no, J ya got that wrong, *AGAIN*!   She scares YOU (and the rest of us).  NOBODY scares HER!  Unless she has this innate unreasonable fear of stone statues! 

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 06, 2016, 07:13:12 AM
Well, hope to be home this evening folks.  Got to shut the machines down and get ready for the ride to Amarillo now.

(yes I am kinda dreading this one)

McG.   :java:   (black coffee, nuthin in it, is OK for before a fasting lab!)
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 06, 2016, 10:23:50 AM
You'ns got's it all wrong! Dredzilla scur's the britches off damn neer what'sa liven, only thang worse is iffin she seed her own reflection!

 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: thelufias on July 06, 2016, 10:31:07 AM
She is scary no matter which concept we come up with....at least to most of us....we do have a few exceptions to that opinion....well, only ONE person with an exception to that opinion...no names mentioned..."J"  :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 06, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
We all know the reason for that! It's the toxic fumes from the roadkill under his nose! Messes ya all up!
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 06, 2016, 11:32:19 AM
Kerful thar...ya maht git toe-mane poisonin'!

:tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 06, 2016, 11:33:07 AM
:nanana:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 06, 2016, 12:13:54 PM
:nanana:

Best be watchin thar gurly, back in da holler whur I was reared...that meant a weddin with all da fixin's!

 :woohoo:

Beats throwin my cousin on the floor fur a ho-down! She'd give ya critters of the itchy kind!
 :thud:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 06, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
Oh hush yer mouth child er I'll whup ya up th' side o' yer haid.

'Sides...ain't you already married?  :coffee3: Shame on y'all.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 06, 2016, 05:42:31 PM
Oh look, I found your song dR :smiley:


Hee-yaw!!

https://youtu.be/xjkEh0Ou4vM
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 06, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
You'ns got's it all wrong! Dredzilla scur's the britches off damn neer what'sa liven, only thang worse is iffin she seed her own reflection!

 :java:


:tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 06, 2016, 06:51:59 PM
She is scary no matter which concept we come up with....at least to most of us....we do have a few exceptions to that opinion....well, only ONE person with an exception to that opinion...no names mentioned..."J"  :java:

Nonsense ye ole wizened one
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 06, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
We all know the reason for that! It's the toxic fumes from the roadkill under his nose! Messes ya all up!
 :java:

:o_go_on:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 06, 2016, 10:03:12 PM
While it is true that I was born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains, in the coal fields of W.Va I do and have always disliked Country/Blue Grass/Folk Music! I like Classic & Metal music.

One's Intellect is not dictated by their geographic location and I am living proof of that! I often get called an Einstein by family members who know how much that pisses me off...Einstein's IQ was in the 160's while my last IQ test results were in the 180's.  But it's ok if you call me a Tesla....Love the man's work!

BTW....People born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains are called "Hillbilly" NOT "Redneck"....there is a difference!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 06, 2016, 11:20:52 PM
While it is true that I was born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains, in the coal fields of W.Va I do and have always disliked Country/Blue Grass/Folk Music! I like Classic & Metal music.

One's Intellect is not dictated by their geographic location and I am living proof of that! I often get called an Einstein by family members who know how much that pisses me off...Einstein's IQ was in the 160's while my last IQ test results were in the 180's.  But it's ok if you call me a Tesla....Love the man's work!

BTW....People born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains are called "Hillbilly" NOT "Redneck"....there is a difference!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
 


Every word, true. Rednecks 're further south. I am but a cowgirl, and twice a moron, and you not quite a genius.

What's that in your eyes? :shock:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 07, 2016, 08:18:56 AM

Every word, true. Rednecks 're further south. I am but a cowgirl, and twice a moron, and you not quite a genius.

What's that in your eyes? :shock:

Nope...LOL I have never claimed to be a genius, though my wife calls me a gen-ass all the time! All the knowledge I have in my brain just serves to make me mentally unstable!

PS...The Stormbringer sword "J" spoke of isn't the only one...there is also one in Demons Souls that is used to kill the Storm King. It's rather useless after that boss fight as it has only an 8 out of a durability scale of 200.

 :java:

 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 07, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
While it is true that I was born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains, in the coal fields of W.Va I do and have always disliked Country/Blue Grass/Folk Music! I like Classic & Metal music.

One's Intellect is not dictated by their geographic location and I am living proof of that! I often get called an Einstein by family members who know how much that pisses me off...Einstein's IQ was in the 160's while my last IQ test results were in the 180's.  But it's ok if you call me a Tesla....Love the man's work!

BTW....People born and raised in the Appalachian Mountains are called "Hillbilly" NOT "Redneck"....there is a difference!

 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
 

Yessir, Nikolai Tesla was an amazing man.  Every time I flip a light switch or turn on a device plugged into a wall outlet I have a thought of thanks for his work.   Edison and Westinghouse go by the board.   They would have gone NOWHERE with THEIR inventions if it were not for the Father of Alternating Current!    :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 07, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
Nonsense ye ole wizened one


Oh horse puckey and feathers!   You're the only one likes her!  We just love taking pokes at ya on account of your love affair with her!  LOL!

 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 07, 2016, 02:25:31 PM
Aw MANNNnnnnn!   We done  :hijacked: this one!   :congatz: .     :happydance: :thumb_up: :crazysmile: :heeheehee: :winks:

So in getting back to the cause of this thread;  how is Stormbringer doing with render times and how is it handling the 1971s sets with the poorly named grouped parts textures now?   Or does it even matter any more?

  :drHiJack: :drHiJack: :drHiJack: :drHiJack: :drHiJack: :drHiJack: :drHiJack: :drHiJack:

McG.    :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 07, 2016, 04:52:38 PM
Popped the Air Village in my latest and set textures to crisp, lights to IBL, upped the settings in the render box from Dimension 3D and


20 minutes


So we have figured out several of the issues we were having based on the beginning of the thread

Wrong lighting
Excessive setting on three different parameters

Texture maps are driven by the concept of must have a new scene each time or it pulls the wrong ones mostly from the previous set loaded

Had one that would not render the texture regardless of how many times I opened a new scene and started over, took an actual restart of Poser to flush the cache completely to get it to render properly.

So tried a few other scenes and other thoughts and render times are now in the respectable range and we are registering much improved times since I followed your notes on set up of lights and render settings.

So many many thanks

Also many thanks to everyone else for all the other comments and suggestions about the texture problem as that is now under control, did do a couple of the problem ones on the other system and yea load to many and it goes stupid on the XP box but only after a certain amount of scene loaded and deleted, not as rapidly as on the Win 10 box but I did duplicate the problem so I can rest easy now knowing it is not me going :odd:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 07, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
Nope, you are not going there, you started off there!  Har har har!  Really though, what 1971s did was really bad for Poser.  I don't know how any other program handles the textures issues, but in Poser, if the internal names of the grouped parts used are the same for all his models, Poser will NOT know how to handle it.  And MOST of his sets do use the same internal group names.  Well, now we know.
McG. :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 07, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Are you speaking of the 'corps' thing, Mc G? That's not any different than V4 or A4 or M4 all having a 'Body' name as the overall name of the whole character...which works fine in Poser. That never says the actual character name either, only 'Body'. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 07, 2016, 11:09:22 PM
Nope, those items are the "GROUP"ed body parts.  Looking at the Smugglers Lighthouse right now.  It loads as Figure with corps up as default GROUP part.  Though, it isn't the Figures BODY.  That has to be selected after loading.  Going to Materials room, the internal names are all different.  That is not so with all the sets.  IF you load several items that have the same internal names for parts within the GROUPINGS of Body Parts, Poser makes its assumption they are the same items and use the top textures in its list.  Unless you take the Figure into the Setup room and change all these group names, and maybe even internal item names, we're kinda stuck with it.
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 07, 2016, 11:37:24 PM
Nope, those items are the "GROUP"ed body parts.  Looking at the Smugglers Lighthouse right now.  It loads as Figure with corps up as default GROUP part.  Though, it isn't the Figures BODY.  That has to be selected after loading.  Going to Materials room, the internal names are all different.  That is not so with all the sets.  IF you load several items that have the same internal names for parts within the GROUPINGS of Body Parts, Poser makes its assumption they are the same items and use the top textures in its list.  Unless you take the Figure into the Setup room and change all these group names, and maybe even internal item names, we're kinda stuck with it.
McG.

They're Characters, right?
 
All Kids 4 say Kids 4 (unless you have more than one Character, then it will say Kids 5). But you have to select the same parts of the body on both of them to apply the texture, by selecting each one individually. They all have Hip, Abdomen, Chest, etc. That works. Why wouldn't it work for this? I could load Luna or Grace or little Naomi and none of them say anything but "The Kids 4" on the Properties tab and have all the same parts and pieces to select from. Perhaps I'm being dense, but I don't understand how that is any different.


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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 07, 2016, 11:43:37 PM
Right, that's right.  I'm all wrong, but I don't know why it works fine for the DAZ Human figures and not 1971s's!
Duh.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 12:00:34 AM
Right, that's right.  I'm all wrong, but I don't know why it works fine for the DAZ Human figures and not 1971s's!
Duh.

I don't know. I don't know that it's Poser necessarily or 1971S's particular textures. I never had a problem with them, but I don't have the buildings, just the River Dock. J's running PP2010 on Win10 and maybe that's the problem. PP 11 is more geared toward playing nice with Win 10 than PP 2010. They're two different versions of Poser Pro and internally have changed coding.

I have two perfume bottles - four in the set - that are Characters by Little Fox. They all load with texture on them but they all say the same body parts, "bottle" and "cap" and they all load correctly. Same with my other non-human characters, like SAV's Character Hair sets. They always load with the default texture on, so I don't know. Lol.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 08, 2016, 12:28:23 AM
Yeah I am not so particularly pleased with PP 11.  The Library.  They're doing crap stuff with APPLE converted programs that are utter shite on a PC.  What its doing is in all updates after SR2 got a LOT of this mess done that keeps a number of instances of that crap APPLE shit running the whole time the Library is running.  So I quit using PP 11 and kept on using PP 2014 till S-M gets that stick out of their collective butts and stops that shit.  ALSO;  it crashes any time I load a Genesis 2 Figure and spin a couple dials in it.  Any dials.  SO, I use PP 2014 still.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 08, 2016, 05:56:31 AM
J's running PP2010 on Win10 and maybe that's the problem.



Regular Poser 10 on Win 10 to be precise
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
Regular Poser 10 on Win 10 to be precise

Either way, every version of Poser since they came out with the Pro Versions has been internally changed to go with OS of the day, which wasn't Win10, except for P11 and PP11. Kind of like uh, what is it...ZB-4R2 won't work on Win10, but best in Win 7 generation OS's - for which it was made.

Kinda like my latest MB don't like Win XP. Wasn't made to work with it. I'm not even *sure* it works with Win 10 to be truthful after what happened - although it works with Win 8 and 8.1. How many updates have there been now? That OS should never have been released as it was at that point - half-assed and not very well beta-tested. The new user's complaints are what's driving all the hot-fixes and corrections.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 08, 2016, 09:00:05 AM
All I see on my tablet is continued FORCED auto update.  AND Auto Settings Changes, Auto Clean out yer FORKING folders of stuff YOU want but M$ don't!   Nuff sed.  I'm getting angry again.
McG.   :keepauhandsoffa: :upurs: :upurs3: :nanana: :cry2: :rat-atat: :coffee3: :gremlin:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 08, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
Looking at the Smugglers Lighthouse right now.  It loads as Figure with corps up as default GROUP part.  Though, it isn't the Figures BODY.  That has to be selected after loading.  Going to Materials room, the internal names are all different. 
McG.

I have said this a thousand times, and will say it yet again. Items of that nature should be formatted as "PROPs" and NOT figures! I'm beginning to wonder if this is a digital-A-zone thing. Many vendors that create content for spazz, save the content in the wrong formats for use in Poser.

Example: While Poser in the past has applied morphs by either object or injection...DS users/vendors save them as pose's. Poser will load them in most cases, but that doesn't mean it's right!

 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 08, 2016, 09:36:55 AM
Regular Poser 10 on Win 10 to be precise

Again, as I have said before....Windows 10 was created solely for the social media generation and not as a studio work horse! Trying to get studio programs to run right on a system designed for internet junkies is pointless!

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink!"
 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 08, 2016, 06:38:21 PM
Mine's from 1963 - Lol. Sounds like it has the same stories plus for as this one I'm looking at, and it's not in that one...unless it's one of the four additional ones.

You will learn what "non-Euclidian" geometry is about in "Dreams In the Witch House". It's a real head twister and trip, if you stop and imagine what he's saying exactly. "The Silver-Key" - if in there - is an amazing story in it's depth. "The Music of Erich Zann" is excellent too. They all are, really...if you get into his writing style which is very atmospheric, mad and creepy.

I'm quite fond of HPL - especially his novel "At the Mountains of Madness". I so wanted someone to fund Guillermo del Toro to make it. (Hellboy, Sin City, Pan's Labyrinth). It's a creepy freeking story!! 

Finally got home and here is the table of contents, and it looks like there is at least three of the ones mentioned in this volume so :heeheehee:

The Call of Cthulhu

The Colour out of Space

The Lurking Fear

The Music of Erich Zann

Dagon

Pickman's Model

The Dunwich Horror

The Statement of Randolph Carter

In the Vault

Cool Air

The Thing on the Doorstep

The Dreams in the Witch House

The Shadow over Innsmouth

At the Mountains of Madness

Herbert West -- Reanimator

The Rats in the Wall

The Case of Charles Dexter Ward

The Whisperer in the Darkness

The Haunter of the Dark

The Shadow out of Time
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 07:54:40 PM
Really...it has the whole unabridged "At the Mountains of Madness" in it? Wow. I have it as a small paperback all by itself. One of those almost 1/2" thick ones. That is truly a creepy tale. Too bad "The Silver Key" isn't in there. That one is quite excellent. "The Dunwich Horror" is also rather disturbing.

You know what's funny? dR started telling me stories about stuff around where he grew up and I asked him after one in particular if he'd ever read HPL and he said "No, why?" "Because some of what you just said to me sounds just like those stories. Creepy!"

But I've heard stories from the coal miners at the Coal Company in KY, that I used to work for that are just as weird and creepy - about how "Thar's places in them hollas no one'll set foot, even ta chase down livestock that roamed off up there...'cause neither one o' ya ever comes back."

So I get the sense this creepy stuff does tend to happen in the 'rolling hills of Appalachia', the 'Smokey Mountains' and elsewhere where there's places like that. That's what makes it all even creepier when you look at it in that light.

:wink:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 08, 2016, 08:07:37 PM
Really...it has the whole unabridged "At the Mountains of Madness" in it? Wow. I have it as a small paperback all by itself. One of those almost 1/2" thick ones. That is truly a creepy tale. Too bad "The Silver Key" isn't in there. That one is quite excellent. "The Dunwich Horror" is also rather disturbing.

You know what's funny? dR started telling me stories about stuff around where he grew up and I asked him after one in particular if he'd ever read HPL and he said "No, why?" "Because some of what you just said to me sounds just like those stories. Creepy!"

But I've heard stories from the coal miners at the Coal Company in KY, that I used to work for that are just as weird and creepy - about how "Thar's places in them hollas no one'll set foot, even ta chase down livestock that roamed off up there...'cause neither one o' ya ever comes back."

So I get the sense this creepy stuff does tend to happen in the 'rolling hills of Appalachia', the 'Smokey Mountains' and elsewhere where there's places like that. That's what makes it all even creepier when you look at it in that light.

:wink:

At the Mountains of Madness is weighing in at 84 pages so not certain if that is the complete or not

All I know is which three I will be reading first ....
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 08, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
Granted it is the weekend and we all know what happens to the steering on my car anytime I am with 10 miles of  book store so it is possible there will be a follow up volume to the H.P.Lovecraft collection.


 :heeheehee:

Besides I am shooting for 2400 volumes before years end.

                            Only 57 more to go .....
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 08:46:12 PM
My error. I thought that was the only story in the paperback, but it also has

Dreams in the Witch House

The Statement of Randolph Carter

The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath

The Silver Key

Through the Gates of the Silver Key.

"Mountains" itself is 112 pages long and the print is small regular paperback sized print. I'm guessing you have something more along the lines of graphic novel sized there with yours. So that would be about right - 84 pages. Good.

Well, hey why not. Buy 'em if you can. They'll always entertain or teach you things. And they last a good long while, don't they?

Happy reading!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 08:47:43 PM
PS: "Dagon" is pretty creepy too. Madness!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 08, 2016, 09:10:21 PM
Yeah well, I tend to not want reading material that is close to some of the things I've seen...lol Mind you, that I haven't seen anything like in the movie "Wrong Turn" but have seen things that will make your hair stand on end!

No one in their right mind wants to see shit like that! Not anyone I know of anyways. I have told Rayvn some things that I've never shared online with anyone. Also verified some things she was told long before meeting me... People DO vanish all the time where I grew up...never to be found again!

I know where they go, and how!

 :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
You *do* have some real creepy tales to tell of what you've witnessed - usually with a witness as well who saw it too, including your brother and wife. You don't make 'em up, I know. Too much consistency there. Doesn't hurt I've seen and experienced some weird things myself as well, that I still can't explain satisfactorily. But I like to hear them. Probably for that reason. I don't feel quite so 'mad' then.

:psycho:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
:thud:

Hey Dreamer, you up yet from falling down there?

I got to thinking about what you said about Copperhead Road back a week or more ago and I was just curious if you all down there listen to our Country, Blue Grass, Country Blues and 'Fiddle Playin' music' down there. Come to think of it, I wouldn't really be surprised if you did since most of it comes from the British Isles as it is, and then morphed into the American version over here. And do you have your own? It's just not something ever occurred to me before.


Don't listen dR, it's not Heavy Metal...okay? Don't say I didn't tell you either.


https://youtu.be/xvaEJzoaYZk



I always have liked songs about moonshinin' for some weird reason. Then found out my Dad used to run it for awhile when he was young during the Depression. He quit because it wasn't worth the danger to him. Not before he learned all the driving tricks etc. though. He taught me how to drive and it was tough. So now it makes me think of him in his 'wild days'. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 08, 2016, 10:52:18 PM
Hey Dreamer, you up yet from falling down there?

I got to thinking about what you said about Copperhead Road back a week or more ago and I was just curious if you all down there listen to our Country, Blue Grass, Country Blues and 'Fiddle Playin' music' down there. Come to think of it, I wouldn't really be surprised if you did since most of it comes from the British Isles as it is, and then morphed into the American version over here. And do you have your own? It's just not something ever occurred to me before.


Don't listen dR, it's not Heavy Metal...okay? Don't say I didn't tell you either.


https://youtu.be/xvaEJzoaYZk (https://youtu.be/xvaEJzoaYZk)



I always have liked songs about moonshinin' for some weird reason. Then found out my Dad used to run it for awhile when he was young during the Depression. He quit because it wasn't worth the danger to him. Not before he learned all the driving tricks etc. though. He taught me how to drive and it was tough. So now it makes me think of him in his 'wild days'. 
Hehe that song was the one I was thinking of with that comment as it is a favorite of mine, there is a large country music following down here with a number of clubs too. New Zealand music is, to my mind, a heap of wanbe s**t we had some good stuff back in the 80's early 90's now its try hard B&B, Rap and hip hop crap with the odd gem of some thing good now and then.
 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 08, 2016, 11:10:42 PM
That's a shame. Guess you can't get away from that cRAP can you? There are still a couple of Western style clubs here in the Metro Area but one's run by the Russian Mafia - so I hear and the other one is wannabe cowboys and cowgirls mostly. Or they just like line-dancing. Never had the urge to go in after seeing some of the people that did. "I laugh at you!" Pffftt.

Chicks with big hair, can-can petticoats and cowgirl boots. Ehhhhhh.... Guys so skinny they'd blow away in a gale. That's not hot, sorry. Dude put some meat on that boney arse of yours and that shirt is dawg-awful! Where'd you get it at the flea market on one of those 3 shirts for $10 tables?!

:tearlaugh:

Sorry...but that's just me and me personality, which I curb around here most of the time - believe it or not. But it's just us here, right? :winks:

You like Charlie Daniels? I do. Shhhh. I do like bluegrass, love electric blues, and the Appalachian sort of music with bottleneck gee-tars an' all, but not the Nashville stuff so much. Wash-tub music. I just like fiddle playin' mostly and bag-pipes - especially AC/DC's "Thunderstruck" on them. But don't play "Amazing Grace" it makes me cry. It's the Scot in me Ah fear.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 08, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
That's a shame. Guess you can't get away from that cRAP can you? There are still a couple of Western style clubs here in the Metro Area but one's run by the Russian Mafia - so I hear and the other one is wannabe cowboys and cowgirls mostly. Or they just like line-dancing. Never had the urge to go in after seeing some of the people that did. "I laugh at you!" Pffftt.

Chicks with big hair, can-can petticoats and cowgirl boots. Ehhhhhh.... Guys so skinny they'd blow away in a gale. That's not hot, sorry. Dude put some meat on that boney arse of yours and that shirt is dawg-awful! Where'd you get it at the flea market on one of those 3 shirts for $10 tables?!

 :tearlaugh:

Sorry...but that's just me and me personality, which I curb around here most of the time - believe it or not. But it's just us here, right? :winks:

You like Charlie Daniels? I do. Shhhh. I do like bluegrass, love electric blues, and the Appalachian sort of music with bottleneck gee-tars an' all, but not the Nashville stuff so much. Wash-tub music. I just like fiddle playin' mostly and bag-pipes - especially AC/DC's "Thunderstruck" on them. But don't play "Amazing Grace" it makes me cry. It's the Scot in me Ah fear.
Oh lordy I know what you mean about the clubs only here its the dear old ducks in the can-can petticoats and boots and Grandpa with his big shiny belt buckles and the awful shirts  :tearlaugh:


I think the only Charlie Daniels song I know is "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" and I looooooove that one.
Fiddles and Bagpipes are so very cool, (Irish blood), "Thundersturck" is just epic on the bagpipes
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 08, 2016, 11:27:06 PM
What do you mean by don't listen to dR...I didn't say nuffin!

 :OMFG:

You ole meanie!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 08, 2016, 11:28:58 PM
Just for you dRaCX :java:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRgL92K5zuE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRgL92K5zuE)
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 02:07:42 AM
Oh lordy I know what you mean about the clubs only here its the dear old ducks in the can-can petticoats and boots and Grandpa with his big shiny belt buckles and the awful shirts  :tearlaugh:


I think the only Charlie Daniels song I know is "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" and I looooooove that one.
Fiddles and Bagpipes are so very cool, (Irish blood), "Thundersturck" is just epic on the bagpipes

Ahhh, then you do get it don't you :smiley: What is it with bad cowboy shirts? Good lord! They're 10 times worse than bad Hawaiian shirts.

Sometimes it's like Wal-Mart. I live across the street from a WalMart o.O They live in my neighborhood.

:OMG:

There's "Fire on the Mountain" by Charlie too. I know, I like "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" a lot. Some smokin' hot fiddle there! But then I loved "Night on Bald Mountain" in Fantasia as a kid too.

Aye, "Thunderstruck" on bagpipes is completely :thumb_up:

Hahahahaha, oh look at what you left our friend. That's sooooooo cute :tearlaugh: He might have a cuteness overload and explode. "Crikkie! Let's poke it with a stick!"

Love it - great choice, Dreamer!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 02:16:00 AM
What do you mean by don't listen to dR...I didn't say nuffin!

 :OMFG:

You ole meanie!
 :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh: :tearlaugh:

Crikkie! Show us your readin' glasses fella!

I said "Don't listen dR..." Meaning "You - YES, YOU laddie! Stand still! Yes, YOU! An' don't listen ta the song." 

Not "Don't listen to dR".  :thud:

"How kin ye have any pudding, if ya doont eat yer meat!"

Sheesh. Here I'm trying to be all sweet and warn you, and you don't read what I really said and get all bent outta shape. Tsk. Tsk.

What am I to do with you? Oh.... :dispute:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 02:16:15 AM
I loved (and still do) all of Fantasia.
Cotton eyed joe by the rednecks is rather cool too.
This just rocks though
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzZLNwqvdQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzZLNwqvdQ)


 :tearlaugh:  better make it a very long stick I think he might bite :tearlaugh:

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 02:31:04 AM
I loved (and still do) all of Fantasia.
Cotton eyed joe by the rednecks is rather cool too.
This just rocks though
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzZLNwqvdQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzZLNwqvdQ)


 :tearlaugh:  better make it a very long stick I think he might bite :tearlaugh:

Absolutely!!! The best version ever.

I have a friend that lives in NJ that has a medieval band and they play at Ren Fests often and some festivals in Germany mostly. He plays all sorts of medieval bag pipes and is pretty good at it. He's even slowly making his own pipes, carving them himself, kind of like the Tree gods in Game of Thrones if you've seen those. They look pretty cool. He's been studying with the lead guy in the group that plays the soundtrack music for "The Vikings", Wardruna as well. That guy is actually a Nord shaman. That's cool too. I think they have a hurdy-gurdy, too.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 02:34:37 AM
He *might* bite, or  :(ROFLMAO:

I'm not sure which. Maybe we can get some HPL Nightgaunts to tickle him silly.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 03:10:42 AM
Absolutely!!! The best version ever.

I have a friend that lives in NJ that has a medieval band and they play at Ren Fests often and some festivals in Germany mostly. He plays all sorts of medieval bag pipes and is pretty good at it. He's even slowly making his own pipes, carving them himself, kind of like the Tree gods in Game of Thrones if you've seen those. They look pretty cool. He's been studying with the lead guy in the group that plays the soundtrack music for "The Vikings", Wardruna as well. That guy is actually a Nord shaman. That's cool too. I think they have a hurdy-gurdy, too.
Oh now that is just too cool, currently rewatching GoT too.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 03:12:27 AM
He *might* bite, or  :(ROFLMAO:

I'm not sure which. Maybe we can get some HPL Nightgaunts to tickle him silly.
:tearlaugh:  I love the way you think :thumb_up:
Going to go to the library tomorrow and see what HPL books they have, need some thing new to read   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 04:00:41 AM
Oh now that is just too cool, currently rewatching GoT too.

I haven't been able to watch it this year. Sadly. I want to because I've read the five books and become fairly immersed in the world and the characters. There are some real doozies in there! Something for everyone. Ramsay Boulton...omg. What a piece of work he is. I wonder if they left the Hound alive. Somehow. Or will he end up like Ramsay? And Jon Snow....... Don't tell me. No spoilers.

:tearlaugh:

Gosh, I suppose I should go to bed. :coffee3:

Oh wait... Almost time to be polite again...or I'll turn into a pumpkin. :java:

Have a great weekend my dear and thanks for the :smile: 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 04:04:07 AM
:tearlaugh:  I love the way you think :thumb_up:
Going to go to the library tomorrow and see what HPL books they have, need some thing new to read   :java:

Oh, yes.... If you can figure out non-Euclidian Geometry for me, I'd appreciate it immensely. "Dreams in the Witch House".

:tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 04:08:40 AM
I haven't been able to watch it this year. Sadly. I want to because I've read the five books and become fairly immersed in the world and the characters. There are some real doozies in there! Something for everyone. Ramsay Boulton...omg. What a piece of work he is. I wonder if they left the Hound alive. Somehow. Or will he end up like Ramsay? And Jon Snow....... Don't tell me. No spoilers.

:tearlaugh:

Gosh, I suppose I should go to bed. :coffee3:

Oh wait... Almost time to be polite again...or I'll turn into a pumpkin. :java:

Have a great weekend my dear and thanks for the :smile: 
I think I have read all the books, not sure as its been a while. Ramsay is one twisted little..... The Hound I think is not as bad as he wants every one to think, I kinda hope he lives some how.
I should probably think about bed too
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 04:09:14 AM
Oh, yes.... If you can figure out non-Euclidian Geometry for me, I'd appreciate it immensely. "Dreams in the Witch House".

 :tearlaugh:
Lol I'll let you know how I get on :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 06:22:07 AM
I'm guessing you have something more along the lines of graphic novel sized there with yours. So that would be about right - 84 pages.

Normal size hardcover actually about 9 x 6

Reading is my drug of choice, granted we are not typically into horror or the scary stuff, mainly because these days it is all slasher, blood and guts we prefer the old days of Gothic horror where it was hinted at with extensive scene setting but mostly left out the grisly bits. One's imagination filled in the blanks and mercifully sometimes the mind refused to do so ...
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 06:32:52 AM
Me curiosity is up, now we will have to read the Witch House this weekend

I was sort of good at geometry in school and we do have a book entitled: Euclid - The Creation of Mathematics, so that might be a prerequisite to reading Witch House to being able to wrap the we ole skull round it :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 07:17:01 AM
They're Characters, right?
 
All Kids 4 say Kids 4 (unless you have more than one Character, then it will say Kids 5). But you have to select the same parts of the body on both of them to apply the texture, by selecting each one individually. They all have Hip, Abdomen, Chest, etc. That works. Why wouldn't it work for this? I could load Luna or Grace or little Naomi and none of them say anything but "The Kids 4" on the Properties tab and have all the same parts and pieces to select from. Perhaps I'm being dense, but I don't understand how that is any different.

We are coming to odds slightly on names, Ray.   K4, V4, M3, MilHorse, MilBigCat are Figures.   Stephanie 4 is a character FOR Victoria 4, the base Figure.  DAZ can talk all the crap they want, I have seen the modelers themselves explain what's what.   The Girl 4, Aiko 4, Steph 4 are all character morphs for V4.   DAZ have gone even further off the money grubbing deep end with Genesis 2 and Genesis 3.  Those names there?  THOSE are the Base Figures.  Victoria6 and 7, and all the other named characters are just character morphs/sets FOR Genesis 2 and 3.  The MESH Figures are Genesis 2 and 3.  I guess that's the best way to put it.  Mesh Figure.  With gen3 and gen4 Figures, the generation name is Victoria and Michael, 3 and 4.  Those are the Mesh (or base) Figures.   Everything else is a plugin morph pack and skin of some sort, and then there are conforming and propped items. 

But the ghist you refer to;  that each instance of like 4 Kid4's you have loaded will all have the same internal names.  Exactly like the 1971s sets.  So, why don't all the K4's mess up when we do a CTL-N new scene and load in 4 or 10 more K4's?  I dunno!  but the 1971s's sure do!

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I want a jelly donut.  Don't you?  I do!  Means the change in meds is probably working.  Grrrrr!   Hey I also learned that sucralose is NOT much different for a diabetic than refined sugar!   It still drives up the A1C sugar count in the red cells.   And if it says "Sugar Free!"  I don't believe it any more.  As you pointed out once or a dozen times the last year, there are artificial things added to products that are absolutely addictive that per milligram are WORSE than raw sugar the same weight and the LAW says they can say Sugar Free.  BASTIGES!   Sucralose, Stevia, and all them things I can't pronounce let alone spell are as bad or worse than me using raw sugar.  GAH!   And now I got to start micro-managing my portions, EVERY meal.   WHICH amounts to 4 spoonfuls of food about 4 times per day.   Uh Huh.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!

McG.   :dispute:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 07:34:50 AM
Really...it has the whole unabridged "At the Mountains of Madness" in it? Wow. I have it as a small paperback all by itself. One of those almost 1/2" thick ones. That is truly a creepy tale. Too bad "The Silver Key" isn't in there. That one is quite excellent. "The Dunwich Horror" is also rather disturbing.

You know what's funny? dR started telling me stories about stuff around where he grew up and I asked him after one in particular if he'd ever read HPL and he said "No, why?" "Because some of what you just said to me sounds just like those stories. Creepy!"

But I've heard stories from the coal miners at the Coal Company in KY, that I used to work for that are just as weird and creepy - about how "Thar's places in them hollas no one'll set foot, even ta chase down livestock that roamed off up there...'cause neither one o' ya ever comes back."

So I get the sense this creepy stuff does tend to happen in the 'rolling hills of Appalachia', the 'Smokey Mountains' and elsewhere where there's places like that. That's what makes it all even creepier when you look at it in that light.

 :wink:

These days, those 1/2" thick paperbacks would be called short stories I think!   Remember Analog?  There was another one, just as good too, that was a collection of short works.  One was monthly, the other was less often.   I recall going to book swap-shops a lot as a kid.  Got all kinds of cool reads for cheap.  Even paying cash, they were very doable.   Ah yes, before the interweb.  I used to read a lot.  Still enjoy it at times.  Books.  My generations Play Station!    Best movies in town!
Too many moves.  Libraries Lost!  Rebuilt, lost again!  And again!  Now I have just a sad few little books.   I miss my old books a lot.  Clarke, Heinlein, Vance, Norton, Anthony to name a very few likable authors.  Oh, McCaffery!  cannot forget the author of PERN and its Dragons!   
There is still SO much to busy the mind in todays world.  Partly thanks to the internet and easy access to information overload!  And, I still miss those monthly magazettes with all those shorties and excerpts to whet the appetite for MORE!  Yeah, those were great, and worth every penny.\

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 07:59:54 AM
Tis why I am doing my best to build a library of my own, granted not much room for any thing else especially since we are now at 10 bookcases scattered throughout the place. Might be why I have been single all these years have yet to meet a woman that can handle this obsession of mine and enjoy it.

Their loss ... or is it mine ... hard to say.

McCaffery is fantastic, twas sad when she passed away however her son Todd is carrying the legacy forward and the first four of them that I have read are faithful to the world of Pern and how it works, have another five I think more still to read. Terry Brooks and the Shannara saga another good read am behind in reading them too as in about the last eight so many to read so little time.

If you be talking about Piers Anthony then again another great read, although I have only read his Xanth series (only behind by two), if you are talking about another then ... oops ...
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 08:30:06 AM
Yeah well, I tend to not want reading material that is close to some of the things I've seen...lol Mind you, that I haven't seen anything like in the movie "Wrong Turn" but have seen things that will make your hair stand on end!

No one in their right mind wants to see shit like that! Not anyone I know of anyways. I have told Rayvn some things that I've never shared online with anyone. Also verified some things she was told long before meeting me... People DO vanish all the time where I grew up...never to be found again!

I know where they go, and how!

 :java:

I used to think I'd seen and experienced some really weird things.  That was when I was young and inexperienced.  Now I know that those things were just weird to ME, and that REALLY strange and bad things have happened to others I've met through the decades.   Me now, I have lived a relatively calm and very "normal" uneventful life.  Only my exes provided some negative excitement now and then.   Sitting outside late at night with son and his wife, just contemplating the night sky, watching wisps of little clouds drift past the moon above, across the stars . . . and to the NE, 125 deg azimuth, was the "hard blip return" from a radar repeater many many years before.  That's what it looked like, only this was rather big-ish and in the sky.  My son and his wife were with me, I pointed to it finally and asked "Y'all see that up there?"  Son said "Yessir.  I do."   He still remembers it vividly as do I.  Neither of us know what to make of it.

This sighting made me feel as if all of us were simply under a microscope of a larger creature, and we were and had nothing we thought we did.  It's not a fun feeling.

In this image, imagine you are in my driveway, looking out due East.  The 'hard return' is the blue double triangle, looking like a helix seen side on, I think.  It was higher in the sky but I ran out of image here in this quickie.  But it was just iradient blue lines in the sky.  I could see clouds moving between it and us.  It did not waver or move in any way.  It did not budge.  I recall there was about a half moon overhead.  After seeing it, about a half hour later, my son and  daughter in law went home, I went in and to bed.  Worked the next day.  Didn't ask anyone about it.  Wondered though, if any of the 40 guys I worked with did see something themselves. None ever mentioned it.  I lived in one of the most populous areas on the planet then.  Someone had to have seen it.  Nothing on the news about it.  Nothing on the internet about it.   That was 17 years ago. 
You know that double triangle shrinking to a dot on your old CRT television sets when you turned it off?   Kinda clear/translucent gray/blueish lines forming the hollow double triangle, before disappearing.  THAT was what this looked like.  Only a LOT bigger and in the NE sky!

McG.

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 08:40:07 AM
Oh lordy I know what you mean about the clubs only here its the dear old ducks in the can-can petticoats and boots and Grandpa with his big shiny belt buckles and the awful shirts  :tearlaugh:


I think the only Charlie Daniels song I know is "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" and I looooooove that one.
Fiddles and Bagpipes are so very cool, (Irish blood), "Thundersturck" is just epic on the bagpipes


CAREFUL kids!  Whut yer describin is beginning to sound an awful lot like ME when I get all dressed up!  LOL!   Mostly, I wear jeans, sneakers or house shoes these days, Tshirts with long sleeve plaid flannel overshirts.  Charlie Golf ball caps.   And those old belt buckles seem to have gone The Way of The Kids I think.    As in they done swiped em!    :OMFG:

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 08:47:43 AM
:tearlaugh:  I love the way you think :thumb_up:
Going to go to the library tomorrow and see what HPL books they have, need some thing new to read   :java:

If you take any HPL home, be prepared to stay up all night, lights on, checking dark corners often with a sense of dread!   LOL!

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 08:50:51 AM
And pray that a  +5 broadsword of sharpness will help out in a pinch .... knowing our luck ... probably not so very much
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 09:20:59 AM
Tis why I am doing my best to build a library of my own, granted not much room for any thing else especially since we are now at 10 bookcases scattered throughout the place. Might be why I have been single all these years have yet to meet a woman that can handle this obsession of mine and enjoy it.

Their loss ... or is it mine ... hard to say.

McCaffery is fantastic, twas sad when she passed away however her son Todd is carrying the legacy forward and the first four of them that I have read are faithful to the world of Pern and how it works, have another five I think more still to read. Terry Brooks and the Shannara saga another good read am behind in reading them too as in about the last eight so many to read so little time.

If you be talking about Piers Anthony then again another great read, although I have only read his Xanth series (only behind by two), if you are talking about another then ... oops ...

About the Ladies:  I got to say, I *REALLY* love the ladies!   I absolutely adore femininity !!!  Truly I do!   Perhaps a bit more than is healthy.  Specially for a relationship.   So have ended up, after all is said and done, alone.   I refuse to play second fiddle for anyone anytime anywhere.   In the years intervening now and the last marriage, I have learned and accept and will honor till my death certain precepts concerning marital relationship.  The two "F" words, absolutely essential for the working of the relationship, where one cannot exist without the other, in truth.  Faithfulness and Fidelity.  When I feel the stirrings of 'love', I consider myself already involved to the place I KEEP those two things.   And have also learned that the older I get, the narrower the field of selection is, the further and fewer between there are.  And mutual attraction appears to be a wonder of the past.   Most women my age aren't interested in striking up a relationship.  They've worked and toiled hard and long to get OUT of the last one!   Truth is, There is another "F" word I am seeing that is every bit as important as the other two.  Friendship.   Friends are truly wonderful to have, and to be to someone.  And so, I AM alone.  But I am not that lonely. 

Or, am I?    Perhaps I am simply working hard to convince myself!    :OMFG:

YES!  Those are the authors I refer to J!   I haven't read Todds volumes.  Gonna have to.   There is one middle vintage author we have yet to speak to, and I read everything of his I could lay my grubby little hands on as a youth.  Edgar Rice Burroughs.  Every book he wrote that was published.  His writing style was a bit dry for most adults.  Why is it that a youth could take off and go to Pellucidar with him and Abner Perry in the Iron Mole? but an Adult couldn't?!   And I could really imagine myself in Davids place as he and Dian the Beautiful got together finally!    I had collected more than 75 paperbacks of ERB.  Yeah, he wrote several series, the Westerns and a couple contemporary drama types too.  The Mucker and Return of the Mucker.  Bit odd, those two.  Venus!  Luna!  Mars!  Pellucidar!  Africa!   The old dufus did have a vivid imagination!
And yep, Piers Anthony.  I read a bunch of the Xanth series before all my being shuffled around commenced.  Each shuffle, I lost stuff.  Loads of stuff.  I HATE it.  I am angry with my kids on account of it.   
Meanwhile, I am going to begin collecting the Terry Brooks Shannara sets again.  I used to have 7 hardcover and 6 paperback volumes of the Shannara books.  I'd read chronologically from the first (not prequels!) through Anthrax, and a few others from different trilogies.  Terry seems to like writing trilogies.   I sure don't mind reading them!   I loved following Allanon, Brahann, Cogline and Kimber.  Oh and his Werecat, Rumor!   Lots of well laid adventure between those covers!


McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 09:31:55 AM
J, about Xanth and the characters there.   Humfrey the Wizard we all know, Bink and some others.  But there are two that, for some reason; mayhap their particular plight, stand out in my mind.  One is Stanly the Steamer.  A Dragon.  The other is the first books 'side' character, Chameleon.  I could forget all the rest, but HER?!  Nope.  Maybe because I know more than one woman that seems to 'turn' 13 times every year, regular as clockwork.   From foxy super hot mama to overbloated waterweight gain jello bean, then back.   I think Anthony knew some too.    Anyway, reading of her plight from her point of view was a little disturbing to me.  Made me rethink some things.  Like how I have treated some people I'd known.   The story is still with me, and I am mindful how I treat people these days.  It's important, to them!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
Normal size hardcover actually about 9 x 6

Reading is my drug of choice, granted we are not typically into horror or the scary stuff, mainly because these days it is all slasher, blood and guts we prefer the old days of Gothic horror where it was hinted at with extensive scene setting but mostly left out the grisly bits. One's imagination filled in the blanks and mercifully sometimes the mind refused to do so ...


Then you should like this stuff - for sure!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
J, about Xanth and the characters there.   Humfrey the Wizard we all know, Bink and some others.  But there are two that, for some reason; mayhap their particular plight, stand out in my mind.  One is Stanly the Steamer.  A Dragon.  The other is the first books 'side' character, Chameleon.  I could forget all the rest, but HER?!  Nope.  Maybe because I know more than one woman that seems to 'turn' 13 times every year, regular as clockwork.   From foxy super hot mama to overbloated waterweight gain jello bean, then back.   I think Anthony knew some too.    Anyway, reading of her plight from her point of view was a little disturbing to me.  Made me rethink some things.  Like how I have treated some people I'd known.   The story is still with me, and I am mindful how I treat people these days.  It's important, to them!
McG.


My god man! You make it sound like some ephemeral disease. It's just part of being a girl...even if we do refer to it as 'The Curse'. But trust me it's no fun feeling like your insides are turning out and you're all hormonal and bloated. Don't miss that crap at all!

***By the time women are older/our age, most of them have been through so much grief and crap we're done with it. It's not worth the prices paid to have someone else around. Either that or you were lucky and found someone worth hanging onto and now he's gone and you can't find anyone worthy of replacing him. It's sad really - the damages done to that once beautiful idea that turned out to be "some stupid f'ing fairy tale no one should have ever fallen for"..... But then now and then it happens and you just look on and smile for them and say "Good For You! Enjoy it!" Still, somehow you end up feeling like, fairy tales and romantic novels of undying love and dashing heroes is a lot of :bs: and should never be foisted off on little girls.

But then you think how grey and colorless life would be without our illusions and fantasies? Or people who write them so well? Then you have to laugh abruptly, realize the joke and shake your head. 


*** That is to say, you still like men but you find them rather amusing and funny in their predictability about a lot of things, so us old ladies just give ya grief and then titter amongst ourselves and say, "Men..... Whaddya gonna do with 'em."

I bet it's like that on the other side of the fence too :smiley:

 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 12:56:42 PM
We are coming to odds slightly on names, Ray.   K4, V4, M3, MilHorse, MilBigCat are Figures.   Stephanie 4 is a character FOR Victoria 4, the base Figure.  DAZ can talk all the crap they want, I have seen the modelers themselves explain what's what.   The Girl 4, Aiko 4, Steph 4 are all character morphs for V4.   DAZ have gone even further off the money grubbing deep end with Genesis 2 and Genesis 3.  Those names there?  THOSE are the Base Figures.  Victoria6 and 7, and all the other named characters are just character morphs/sets FOR Genesis 2 and 3.  The MESH Figures are Genesis 2 and 3.  I guess that's the best way to put it.  Mesh Figure.  With gen3 and gen4 Figures, the generation name is Victoria and Michael, 3 and 4.  Those are the Mesh (or base) Figures.   Everything else is a plugin morph pack and skin of some sort, and then there are conforming and propped items. 

But the ghist you refer to;  that each instance of like 4 Kid4's you have loaded will all have the same internal names.  Exactly like the 1971s sets.  So, why don't all the K4's mess up when we do a CTL-N new scene and load in 4 or 10 more K4's?  I dunno!  but the 1971s's sure do!

Are we back to this? Semantics...

I'm speaking from the name of the Libraries in the runtimes. They are in the 'characters' library. I'm coming at it from the outside in, not the inside out in that naming game. Is it in the characters lib or the props lib? Simple. I'm not coming at it from a modelers point of view but one who makes characters out of those base models. I know they're all morphs of this or that. You can't use them without figuring that out...... Can you? Uhhhhhh. Well, maybe. I never know.

"Ohhhhh?! It's not like Barbie and Stacy and Tiffany and Ken where they're all different and now it's a whatchamacallit? Medablog...Metablob thingamajigger were you can make it into absolutely anything? I can make G3M a gorilla...oooooooo and Dusk too? Muahahaha."

:precious: "Yes, exactly my precious and we can sell thousands of morph packs to make them do more than they did before but never work quite right. So then we'll fix it and start over and change everything and then you wait...they'll come. Oh yes. We'll dress it up so pretty they can't resist! :heeheehee:   

That's what I see the best way I can explain it.

As for loading that many of anything into a scene, I don't do it much. If I do a big scene like that, I do it in layers and composite them which is a pain in the rear but doesn't make for problems as long as I'm really careful. Besides, I'm largely a portrait sort of artist given the choice, not necessarily into creating massive scenes. The scenery is only something to locate or define the character to me. I'm just as good with using a background as anything else. Unless I need shadows for effect in the scene, I will set up the props then and the figure with. It's all in what you do normally...the semantics of it.

 

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I want a jelly donut.  Don't you?  I do!  Means the change in meds is probably working.  Grrrrr!   Hey I also learned that sucralose is NOT much different for a diabetic than refined sugar!   It still drives up the A1C sugar count in the red cells.   And if it says "Sugar Free!"  I don't believe it any more.  As you pointed out once or a dozen times the last year, there are artificial things added to products that are absolutely addictive that per milligram are WORSE than raw sugar the same weight and the LAW says they can say Sugar Free.  BASTIGES!   Sucralose, Stevia, and all them things I can't pronounce let alone spell are as bad or worse than me using raw sugar.  GAH!   And now I got to start micro-managing my portions, EVERY meal.   WHICH amounts to 4 spoonfuls of food about 4 times per day.   Uh Huh.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiight!

McG.   :dispute:


I have always said the real stuff is still better for you than that fake chemical shite they put in everything. It's natural and your body knows what to do with it. Just learn to be moderate with it instead of heaping it on. All those chemicals are why we're all sick ffs. MSG has been known since I was a kid to cause heart problems if eaten all the time, and yet it's in everything as a salt sub. So what're you gonna do? I'll chance it with the MSG-free thanks. I just wont eat Dinty Moore Beef Stew twice a week. That stuff'll kill ya. But it tastes good.

Don't get me wrong, I totally get the sugar cravings and the salt cravings. Especially salt. I'm to salt what you are to sugar. I love salt. Always have. Sometimes I want something really salty so badly I can taste it, but then the thought of how that much salt makes me feel like I'm going to die any moment rather puts me off of it. I can't even look at a dill pickle without feeling that feeling. A few little slices don't hurt, but that's it. Anything pickled in brine is verboten...and I love Greek Olives. Sigh. 

I don't know the answer unless you find some heritage seeds, plant your own stuff and hope you aren't fined or busted for 'growing your own' because god forbid you should do anything for yourself. Can't even collect rainwater any more to water your gardens...and would you really want to if you thought about all the pollutants in it? Acid rain.

Sigh.......
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 01:20:07 PM

There is one middle vintage author we have yet to speak to, and I read everything of his I could lay my grubby little hands on as a youth.  Edgar Rice Burroughs.  Every book he wrote that was published.  His writing style was a bit dry for most adults.  Why is it that a youth could take off and go to Pellucidar with him and Abner Perry in the Iron Mole? but an Adult couldn't?!   And I could really imagine myself in Davids place as he and Dian the Beautiful got together finally!    I had collected more than 75 paperbacks of ERB.  Yeah, he wrote several series, the Westerns and a couple contemporary drama types too.  The Mucker and Return of the Mucker.  Bit odd, those two.  Venus!  Luna!  Mars!  Pellucidar!  Africa!   The old dufus did have a vivid imagination


And yep, Piers Anthony.  I read a bunch of the Xanth series before all my being shuffled around commenced.  Each shuffle, I lost stuff.  Loads of stuff.  I HATE it.  I am angry with my kids on account of it.   
 
Meanwhile, I am going to begin collecting the Terry Brooks Shannara sets again.  I used to have 7 hardcover and 6 paperback volumes of the Shannara books.  I'd read chronologically from the first (not prequels!) through Anthrax, and a few others from different trilogies.  Terry seems to like writing trilogies.   I sure don't mind reading them!   I loved following Allanon, Brahann, Cogline and Kimber.  Oh and his Werecat, Rumor!   Lots of well laid adventure between those covers!


McG.   :java:

The only ERB I have is a collection of the John Carter Man from Mars, have read the first collection and still have another three collections to read. Do recall reading some of the other series in compilation somewhere seem to recall the Creepy and Eerie magazines from the past would run a chapter or three if memory serves.

Did some research on the Xanth series and the 40th volume "The Isis Orb" is to be released in October this year. Tis one of the favorite series and have read it straight though multiple times. Haven't read the last two yet "Board Stiff" and "Five Portraits" but tis on the list.

As to Shannara let me see currently we are up to 22 volumes still have quite a few to read though :sigh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 01:29:21 PM

Then you should like this stuff - for sure!

Oops just got back from the book store damn automobile has a mind of its own I swear .... another 6 books later I managed to get out of there one of the ones picked was another by HPL this collection is the complete Cthulhu Mythos so some duplication compared to the first one but there are 12 new ones in this one including the Nyarlathotep one you mentioned previously.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 01:37:37 PM

CAREFUL kids!  Whut yer describin is beginning to sound an awful lot like ME when I get all dressed up!  LOL!   Mostly, I wear jeans, sneakers or house shoes these days, Tshirts with long sleeve plaid flannel overshirts.  Charlie Golf ball caps.   And those old belt buckles seem to have gone The Way of The Kids I think.    As in they done swiped em!    :OMFG:

McG.   :java:

Who's a kid? :tearlaugh:

Dreamer maybe in comparison to you or me. But she's wise.

That's a flannel shirt. Flannel shirts are alright if they're a good plaid. Not those gawd-awful flower print western shirts with the snap buttons and the piping and ugly colors. We're talkin' guys with their shirts open on a boney chest or they look like a pudgy bear under there. But they think they look real macho. :thud: Baseball caps...... eh. Gangstas wear 'em too. Jeans that aren't Levis....eh. OMG, Dickies!!! Gah, fashion disaster! Belt buckles are definitely a 'guy thing'. If you can still see them. "Look, you can still see MAH belt buckle!"
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 09, 2016, 01:58:02 PM
Rayvn -  I am to the point where I figure the joke is on us.  We can still treasure all the fantasies we have carried with us from our youth.  But I have to marvel at the couples that are able to live the fairy tale in happiness.  Truly they are blessed!


And about 'the period', I know a little about that.  More women in the family than men.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 02:32:30 PM
Oops just got back from the book store damn automobile has a mind of its own I swear .... another 6 books later I managed to get out of there one of the ones picked was another by HPL this collection is the complete Cthulhu Mythos so some duplication compared to the first one but there are 12 new ones in this one including the Nyarlathotep one you mentioned previously.

Dang car!!! :tearlaugh:

Very cool. Nyarlathotep changes throughout the mythos into something quite 'else', but that story is the first one about him and lays the groundwork for the "Black Man" or "Dark Man", but then he somehow becomes associated with some Elder thing that is like "The Night of a 1000 Knives" or some such. He's always 'morphing' in the stories to something even more sinister, which when thinking back to what he must have perceived in Tesla's technologies seemed very threatening and monstrous to Lovecraft.

It helps to read his biography to understand him and the influences around him, which were considerable in his time. If one of those books has one in them about him, I'd read it. It's quite interesting when you dig into him and his grandfather in particular.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 02:41:14 PM
Rayvn -  I am to the point where I figure the joke is on us.  We can still treasure all the fantasies we have carried with us from our youth.  But I have to marvel at the couples that are able to live the fairy tale in happiness.  Truly they are blessed!


And about 'the period', I know a little about that.  More women in the family than men.   :java:

Agreed, the joke is life and it's on us. That's for sure - lol. Still those moments when the dream seemed like it would come true are like treasures to take out and look at in odd moments and smile or cry, or both. Yeah, I have a couple of close friends that have been married for I think 30 years now and I love them to death. I think they're awesome that they manage through everything and stick together. Then again, in spite of their differences they're perfect for each other. It's touching to know them. Everyone that knows them likes them a lot. They're great and I'm happy for them. So yeah, it can happen but only seemingly for some and not all. And to them a :Cup:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 06:18:28 PM
If you take any HPL home, be prepared to stay up all night, lights on, checking dark corners often with a sense of dread!   LOL!

McG.   :java:
:grin:  the night is dark and full of terrors
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 06:19:23 PM
And pray that a  +5 broadsword of sharpness will help out in a pinch .... knowing our luck ... probably not so very much
Not a broadsword but I do have a arming sword and a big stick  :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 06:29:46 PM
:grin:  the night is dark and full of terrors

Yes, Melissande! That woman is totally bizarre and evil. Hopefully she's come to some good for something...maybe without consequences of it being reborn or born at all? Yikes.

I hope one of the dragons flambéed her. Doubtful though.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 07:39:09 PM
Yes, Melissande! That woman is totally bizarre and evil. Hopefully she's come to some good for something...maybe without consequences of it being reborn or born at all? Yikes.

I hope one of the dragons flambéed her. Doubtful though.

Yep she is a bit of a basket case, I too hope she gets flambeed
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 09, 2016, 07:41:14 PM
Yep she is a bit of a basket case, I too hope she gets flambeed

It would be deliciously ironic, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Dreamer on July 09, 2016, 07:43:36 PM
It would be deliciously ironic, wouldn't it?
:heeheehee:  that it would
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 09, 2016, 09:59:11 PM
Yeah well, I'd like to see a hot witch dancing naked in the pale moon light while shooting flames out her backside.

Now THAT would be freakin awesome!!!
 :yes:


Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 09, 2016, 10:54:48 PM
The sound you hear is no one disagreeing ... film at 11:00 PM
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 10, 2016, 02:37:29 AM
bwa HA HA HA HAAAAA HA!   

I am voting with my wallet J.  Gonna start re-collecting Brooks Shannara books!    The last set I read was the Saga of the Jerle Shannara.  The Airship named after the first great king of Shannara.  But that apple fell so far from the tree of its beginnings.  Weren't Col and Par the two lead characters of The Sword of Shannara, Brooks first venture into the realm?


McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 10, 2016, 06:50:07 AM
Nope was Shea and his half brother Flick in the first volume

Col and Par did not show up till The Scions of Shannara

Yes we looked at my books

Definitely agree that the Saga of the Jerle Shannara was a very hard read
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 10, 2016, 08:26:30 AM
Nope was Shea and his half brother Flick in the first volume

Col and Par did not show up till The Scions of Shannara

Yes we looked at my books

Definitely agree that the Saga of the Jerle Shannara was a very hard read

Oh solid evidence I am due an immediate re-read of the whole set.  Am re-reading Ringworld at the moment tho!
McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 10, 2016, 09:44:17 AM
Followed by Wil in the Elfstones of,

then Brin and her younger brother Jair in the Wishsong of
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 10, 2016, 10:04:27 AM
And in which was Wren?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 10, 2016, 10:09:38 AM
First in the Scions of ... which is the first book in "The Heritage of Shannara cycle

She is one of the four Scions of Shannara  along with Par, Coll and Walker Boh
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 10, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Right, Walker Boh one arm Druid.    It starts sloowwllyyy  coming back, a little at a time!  I am going to get the books.  Honest!  I got antsy, couldn't make myself wait a little while longer.  I spent $6.48 for the Kindle copy of Ringworld.  Yeah, I too prefer the feel of real paper in my hands.  Just too impetuous I guess!
McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 10, 2016, 02:09:42 PM
J, are you actually remembering all this stuff, or looking it up as I ask???  Either way, thanks!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 10, 2016, 03:57:07 PM
Looking it up good sir as I barely remember what I had for dinner last night and I did read these volumes when they first came out

With the first coming out in 1977, then 1982, 1985 and Scions came out in 1990 and so forth so yes

we looked at my books.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 11, 2016, 01:05:21 AM
@"J"

I have to ask...did you render that image with dredzilla on the new computer?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 11, 2016, 05:45:58 AM
No ... sorry ... bet she would look even better on it though ...  it was on the old one haven't transferred all the new products to the new one yet
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 11, 2016, 05:09:05 PM
Looking it up good sir as I barely remember what I had for dinner last night and I did read these volumes when they first came out

With the first coming out in 1977, then 1982, 1985 and Scions came out in 1990 and so forth so yes

we looked at my books.

My son and I give each other heads ups on great movies and books, have since he left home for the Marine Corps.  When he got out, I picked him up at the airport and brought his (then) girlfriend.   A few weeks later, we built him a PC together, and while we were doing that is when we began giving each other fresh ideas on movies and books.  Sharing.  I figured it was pretty good stuff for a Father & Son day.  It was the first time he and I built a rig together, with his hands actually doing most of the work.  When he moved me into his home for a while, he got me to watch the movie Transformers.  It wasn't a cartoon like I thought it would be.  It was actually a pretty good movie.  Then he hands me this hardcover novel by Jim Butcher, The Dresden Files.  Book 3.  Don't remember anything except my son had 4 of the books (he buys only hard cover editions), and I read those 4 Dresden (Chicago Warlock For Hire!) books in a weekend.  That started a small avalanche of him trying me on various series.  Eragon, Shannara.  He handed me his boxed set of Firefly.  After watching the series I found that it had started, run and been shut down by Fox Studios for years and even had a FAN sponsored FILM made after it, Serenity, and it's still a dead series.  And Fox won't release the rights.  Then I find the film Eragon after reading Eragon and Eldest.  I now have the full cycle.  Eragon, Eldest, Brisingr and Inheritance.  For a youngster, he's a pretty good writer!  Ah but Shannara!  While the reads are fresh in mind, all the lands, the homes, villages, castles, forests, creatures and people seem so REAL.  Terry has a wonderfully cultured ability to bring that out in me!  The ability to imagine realistically and easily.  It takes a special style of wordcrafting to do that, I think.   The airship Jerle Shannara and the images it conjures up are the attraction to 1971s's stuff for me!   It needs its sails of tubes!  It needs the energy crystals to translate power from the sunlight!  It doesn't need gas bags!   The new movie PAN with Hugh Jackman as Blackbeard, the Never Ships that sail thru the air are similar I guess.  But they just look like old sailing ships.    So, I think that Brooks and Burroughs writings inspired 1971 a bit!
Well meantime, I am enjoying Ringworld.  I am only on page 40 something.  They haven't left Earth yet.  Getting there.  I've met the 4 central characters now.  'Splodin Suns!  LOL!
McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 11, 2016, 08:15:18 PM
IA! CTHULHU FTAGN!! And now for something completely different:

The difference between Nashville C&W and what I prefer to call 'Folk Rock' rather than all those other things...other than 'Swamp Music' and Blues....

Let's use "Copperhead Road" mostly because it's been stuck in continuous loop on head radio, since last week. At least it's a song I like, but I used to like a couple of other ones too that got stuck that way too many times. The 'rift' and the rhyme-scheme get stuck and I get inventive... Or go nuts.

When that happens, I start making up words and maybe another song will creep in and insist on becoming part of the lyrics. Ergo...you get this in my head:


My names' Connolly Pettimore
I got married to the widow next door.
She plied me with cookies and apple pies
Then she did me in with them big green eyes
And when she bent over, well I said, "My, my..."
I'm a lucky man so I've been told:
We're livin' in a house on Copperhead Road.

But then of course heartbreak, infidelity, stealing pickups and dogs ensues and...oh and cryin' in your beer. "There's tears in ma beer over youuuuuuu....." Because these are the songs C&W artists write who've been married 5 times in the last 12 years and just got married ag'in.

:wink:

I like the 'Folk Rock' a whole lot better, luv Swamp Music and Electric Blues.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 11, 2016, 09:03:42 PM
There are some songs from every genre that are great.   Bluegrass, Rock, hard Metal, Country, Punk and even the odd occasional RARE rap song.   Mainly cause that rare one has some actual singing in it somewhere.  Like Hunter Beard's "When You Come Home".  The womans voice is so beautiful!   Well, so is Dolly Parton's.  Even though she scares the crap outta me.  OK found some old files to play with!  Kewl!    :cool:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 11, 2016, 11:27:43 PM
There are some songs from every genre that are great.   Bluegrass, Rock, hard Metal, Country, Punk and even the odd occasional RARE rap song.   Mainly cause that rare one has some actual singing in it somewhere.  Like Hunter Beard's "When You Come Home".  The womans voice is so beautiful!   Well, so is Dolly Parton's.  Even though she scares the crap outta me.  OK found some old files to play with!  Kewl!    :cool:

Oh yes, there are but what I said is those are the ones I like the best of all of them. If you want to get right down to it, Lou Reed was doing 'rap' in "Walk on the Wild Side":

"Sugar Plum Fairy came and hit the streets, lookin' for soul food and a place to eat...and the colored girls sing....du-ta-du- blah-blah. " I even know the words - all of them, I think....

And Blondie was doing it in "Rapture' long before anyone else that I know of:

"Hi-Fi Freddy told me everybody's fly. DJ's spinnin' I said "My, my. Flash is fast, Flash is cool. Francois c'est pas, flashé no deux (or some such)....and the Man from Mars stopped eatin' cars - and now he only eats guitars!" Head full of useless things as well.

Those were both great rap songs because they had a story to them. They weren't what you hear now. Far more sophisticated. Beck with "I'm a Loser" was another early rap song. Sure, there's a few I like but it's because of why I said. I like songs that tell stories or make fun of something, like Beck. A lot of people do. Especially ones where it's an allegorical story. Or Bjork who is sublimely weird and almost ethereal at times. Do you remember Link Wray and the Wray-Men? I watched rock and roll be born on that new fangled television thing, and it was amazing. I grew up with it, totally. AM/FM, reel to reels, vinyls all, and tape cassettes, 8 Tracks, CDs. My favorite song when I was a little girl was "Wild Goose" by Frankie Lane. Still like it :winks:   
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 12, 2016, 01:18:57 AM
Yah!  I hear ya Ray.  Take a Walk on the Wild Side!   I was on the East coast when that (and some others) came out that could make one just sit up and WHAM! startling revelation.  Jojo was a man who thought he was a woman . . . THEREs the "Wild Side"!  Ha!   Yeah, Madonna set her own style.  I kinda enjoyed a bunch of her songs.  I never even knew she'd done an album on video, in monochrome.  Nude.  Didn't find that out till last year.  The gal looks good!  And sings great!
There are a lot of wonderful voices out there Ray.  Mine ain't one of em.   Dang.  Now we done it.  Gotta string up the 12 now!  Hmmm.   :odd: :yes:

McG.   :java:

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 13, 2016, 06:48:38 PM
Or there's this:


https://youtu.be/lef1ERxRS6A
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 13, 2016, 07:31:38 PM
That acoustic resonator guitar sounds nice!  Country Blues baybeee!   
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 13, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
That's not just any acoustic resonator guitar, but a National Steel guitar that was made in 1934 and I think originally belonged to Lightnin' Hopkins. It has quite the history. I don't know who has it now, since Campbell died in 1993. It's been passed down and around amongst blues guitarists for a long time but he did own it.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 13, 2016, 11:20:12 PM
Ahhh, here we go....


https://youtu.be/b_3hkRAw0n4


Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 14, 2016, 03:07:32 AM
I love harmonies.  First's Fift's and Third's!  Putting all funning down a moment.  Love music that stirs me.  Lots of things do that.  From the early days with The Battle of New Orleans and the Marines Hymn.  My first two records ever.  Of later times, Chumba Wumba and Tub Thumping.  And then there is this.   Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJeRdqXwAw) is one that never fails to get me.  She is using a resonator in there somewhere, as well as other vocals.  Mo Bandy did it great, Linda took it home. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 14, 2016, 09:50:40 AM
Not sure but I think that's a fiddle in there with the drone in the background, if that's what you mean.

Yup, Linda was a really fine singer. It's sad she had to quit.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 11:55:35 AM
Moving back to the topic at hand was in the right place at the right time and now we have Poser 11 in our arsenal.

What a convoluted mess it was getting it installed thank goodness I did have Win 10 as it does not install on XP at all ... took me a bit to figure that part out ... you know reading instructions is not on the list.

Thought I would see what a default scene with a nude Pauline no hair would render like ... scary is all I can say ... 2 seconds

New scene used the Isle of Wind from 1971s same set up nothing fancy for lights ... 33 seconds

Decide to get crazy on the settings and resolution now we have render times back in the hours range to be expected I guess mainly because I also dropped in one of those trees from DinoRaul.

The real ball buster is trying to install the default files for V4 and M4 what the hell is this rubbish, at first it refused to install period, found the trick after a bit and then it was doing its thing properly.
Well, until I opened it back up and went looking for it in the default Poser directory nope not even there ... :ummm:

Added my V4 folder and went to put her in a scene and ta-da it did load her but still have no access to the pose folder for morphs and so on and so forth .... after about an hour of pissing and moaning as I could see the folders in the explorer tree but not in Poser's tree, I realized the folders were named differently so a bit more hit and miss and at last I now can see them in the Poser 11 tree properly and can load the characters from there and install morphs.

Wonder if I could have figured this out faster if I would read the instructions :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 16, 2016, 12:08:56 PM
J.... There is a reason instructions and read me files are written. The reason is NOT to ignore them. If you do, then you just end up wasting time and effort and making yourself crazy. What do you not understand about that? You just detailed it all out. Learn to read the instructions - it doesn't make you less of a man but less foolish, don't you know?
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
I like to figure things out by applying my version of common sense logic ... stubborn like that I guess ...

Well, we just finished reading the instruction and guess what the manly manual for Poser 11 says naught about installing DAZ figures and getting them to be accessible.

We both  know that using the V4 installer it will not allow you to install it anywhere but in the default Poser exe, fine and dandy, Win 10 fussed me on doing that wound up using the troubleshooting compatibility tab to get it to work so it worked at last, now in the default Poser tree it meaning DAZ People doesn't exist.

Had to think about it for a few and then added a new folder found where the newly installed content was located and then copied and pasted it in there and viola it is now not only visible but accessible.

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 12:31:54 PM
Which makes your earlier remark in another thread totally valid open V4 install all of your morph options and save her out as a character in your V4 runtime and then the issue of Poser 11 not showing the DAZ People folder is moot because you have your saved V4 in an external runtime and you can adjust the level of the morphs loaded as desired.

All of the "dependencies" are installed in the default runtime so all is good.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 16, 2016, 12:45:05 PM
Um why would a Poser manual detail loading DAZ figures....logically speaking of course.

Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 16, 2016, 12:47:07 PM
Which makes your earlier remark in another thread totally valid open V4 install all of your morph options and save her out as a character in your V4 runtime and then the issue of Poser 11 not showing the DAZ People folder is moot because you have your saved V4 in an external runtime and you can adjust the level of the morphs loaded as desired.

All of the "dependencies" are installed in the default runtime so all is good.

Did I say that? Because I don't have a v4 'content' folder / aka runtime and never have. My DAZ people are installed in my base runtime.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 12:49:53 PM
Valid point but one did say read the instructions ... the real key though is V4 is from some long time ago and there is no updates for installing her via a different OS ... or is there ... don't know .... yet.

Next up why would the folders for the newly installed content be hidden in the first place, you can't install V4 anywhere except in the default .exe yet when you do the newly installed content is not visible for selection.

Thoughts ????
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Did I say that? Because I don't have a v4 'content' folder / aka runtime and never have. My DAZ people are installed in my base runtime.

I apologize I must have read between the lines it was in your Create a Preferred scene thread ... I just took it to mean that you also have external runtimes for your content like I do ...
 Sorry about that ....
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 16, 2016, 03:19:33 PM
I apologize I must have read between the lines it was in your Create a Preferred scene thread ... I just took it to mean that you also have external runtimes for your content like I do ...
 Sorry about that ....

Oy..... Okay, firstly don't take offense here - I'm just speaking as 'me' and I say what I think - but you should know that by now. You asked for 'thoughts' so you're getting them as they come.

Therefore....

Firstly: I have to wonder what sort of logic you're using Jherrith when you say you like to 'logic things out' as it seems almost something like non-Aristotilian Logic which is something like non-Euclidian Geometries. Whether or not you like to think in Aristotilian logics or not, most people do. Ergo....

For example:

If you are loading company B's product into company A's program, why would you think company A's manual would describe that? When I said "Read the readmes and instructions" that's what I meant. I didn't mean to look in the Poser manual. I didn't think it was necessary to say more than that because...why? I meant to go to DAZ's site and see if they had the folder structure for her listed in there. From that you should be able to tell where she goes in a content runtime. That's where you find that info in EVERY read me file.

But I guess if you've never read one, you wouldn't know that.

There are no .txt file readmes in DAZ figures. It's all on their web site. Far as I know it's always been like that. Only 3rd party developers who do not work for DAZ put readme files in with their content. Those who do work for DAZ put it on the website because that's the deal there.

It's like "When in Rome...." sorta logic.

Secondly, just because I said I have other 'runtimes' or content folders doesn't mean I or anyone else for that matter has them set up like you do. What is your logic is not mine or anyone elses'. I can't presume to know how others have them set up, what's in them, or their preferences, so I said, "Pick your poisons as you will..." and explained that the example was MY preference. That's what I know best.

Thirdly, never assume anything - especially with me. I have said before and I will say it again. I don't think like you or most other people about things necessarily, and I'm not lying or saying it as boast or anything. It's just how it is. Especially with philosophical sorts of things because of my years of trying to learn how Eastern thought was different than Western thought. But, this isn't philosophy.
 

That being said:

Yes, there are only bitrock installers with older DAZ products and no you cannot preview them and see what's there, which is why I always hated the damn things because inevitably it would load them somewhere other, like into the Content folder and I would find them in there and have to move them manually to where they belonged in Poser. Thanks be, they started using .zip files! YAY!

I don't know that the base figures have to be loaded in the main runtime and never said that, but at the time I got them that's where I loaded them because that was the ONLY runtime I had then.

I suspect they should be however, because you may or may not realize that DAZ figures load in parts and pieces that probably reference 4 other sets of files in some other place in your runtime to do so. They're not like Poser figures that load all at once and quickly. They take awhile to load because Poser is referencing this, that and the other thing to assemble them.

So, if you put them on an external, then it has to go there to look for them and that would take even longer for it to load. Look at all those Deltoid files some time and you'll observe they are in parts and pieces. Arms, legs, head, neck, etc. You can see it inside Poser when you go to Conform things to and Set Parent.... See all those deltoids in there? That's the DAZ figure stuff - all the parts and pieces Poser assembled and 'translated' to it's own formats.

Besides, that's where all the other figures are stored. Yes? So, why not put them there?

You CAN put Little Fox's creations in externals - like Cookie, Chip, Star, etc. because she is a Poser developer who sold on rDNA. Logic.

So, I'm not sure if you used the bitrock installer to load her into one of your external runtimes. I have no idea whatsoever why you couldn't see it unless it did go to a Content folder which isn't part of the normal Poser runtime library set up or the runtime. I wouldn't know without looking at your machine myself. If that's what it did then you have to manually move it to where it should be. Which maybe you did.

Where the DAZ figures are found in the normal Poser library set up under Character library is a folder in the library called "DAZ People". That's where they're found, not in individual folders called "Victoria #...", "Michael #", "Michael # Gentials", "Kids #" etc. Again, I have no idea how you have yours set up. But that's where they are - or should be and far as I know have always been. ALL that stuff should likely go in your main runtime because mostly of how it loads.

As far as content for those characters, you can put all that in external runtimes/content folders until hell freezes over and it makes no real difference in MOST cases.

Anything with a python script to it should probably go in your main runtime because that's where the runtime .dlls and scripts are for anything like that. Mostly for the reason of it's easier on Poser to go find them when they're right there. You don't get the "lag on load" that way.

Now I'm going to say - sorry for the length but...that's what happens with apples and oranges and assuming things. 

Secondly, this is all my experience and what I think about it and therefore take it as presented in that way. My logic, not yours. My way, not yours.

CAVEAT: If you or anyone else has questions about anything I said there then by all means ask them and I'll explain. Otherwise, take it for what it is. MY OPINION and experience with it which is not anyone else's experience or opinion.     



 



 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 04:24:20 PM
All righty then I once again do apologize for any and all assumptions that might have been derived from my posts.

One, I have always used external runtimes every chance I get, once I read, don't ask where as I do not remember but in part it stated that when you install everything in the main runtime when you open Poser it has to run through everything before it can open Poser.
Every single item that is in the default runtime has to be read before it will open. In other words when you have a large default runtime one can take a stroll around the park before it gets around to starting.
Yes, we observed this from past experience.

Therefore I started to use external runtimes. Now when I open Poser it is only reading the last runtime I had opened before it starts and opens ever so much quicker.

Grated it does show my other external runtimes but since they were not open when I started Poser it matters not ... again direct experience.

Having learned that, I then made runtimes for the main DAZ characters, then when trying to install V4 or M4 to those folders it generated the error saying one must install these to the main Poser exe file.
Again direct experience.

Reading the read me files is good when my "logic" fails me. However since the previous posts I have gone to the website for DAZ and sorry to say but there is nothing for installing content via Win 10 or into Poser 11 especially for V4.

This is what I get
... We found no results for 'Install V4 in Poser 11'


I didn't look for or waste my time with anything to do with Genesis figures or DSON and so forth as I will not touch those figures period.

My choice.

So me fighting it on my own served me better than going there first and wasting my time only to find out they had no answers.

Bottom line is yes, it all went into a "Content Folder" and yes it is not visible in the main Poser tree. I found my work around and I was basically just relaying the information.

I understand that you, if I recall correctly, do not use Win 10 so therefore I will run into different results then you and others here ... just letting others know in advance is all I am doing.

Sorry once more if it sounded as if I was being ... well not certain what the correct adjective is ...
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 04:37:17 PM
Oh by the way have you wasted any of your time looking in their forums for answers?

They are more concerned with and about DAZ and their Genesis figures than their root figures.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 16, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
Quote
"Reading the read me files is good when my "logic" fails me. However since the previous posts I have gone to the website for DAZ and sorry to say but there is nothing for installing content via Win 10 or into Poser 11 especially for V4.

This is what I get
... We found no results for 'Install V4 in Poser 11'


Again, this is why should company B write instructions for company A when they want you to use their software exclusively?

It's been a long time since I did install V4 like from 2005 or 2006, so no I don't remember what it says.

I was told not to load anything to my most recent Poser version runtime but leave it as is. That is from PP 2010 on. At that time I had all my stuff in my Poser 5 Runtime, when you could do that. So, I attached my Poser 5 runtime to the libraries but I didn't strip out the actual scripts and all. In spite of that, it worked fine mostly up until when I recently rebuilt my pc. I did not do it as dR said to do it by selecting the "Traditional" installation. I used the "Optimal" installation because that is also what I was told by Poser Help Desk several times. Use the UAC files in the Public folders.

Now Poser says it can't find the python script to write morphs - even though I stripped all the python scripts and dlls out of my P5 runtime and put what I did need into the PP2014 actual runtime for the scripts (product python scripts). I can't use the Cloth Room and dynamic cloth, likely for the same reason. So I have to back it all up, blow it away and start over using the traditional install and appended content folders with all my other stuff - including P5 old 'runtime' that's now a content folder only. But that's my particular problem and may not be anyone else's or it is. I don't know.

No I won't use that steaming pile of horse-pucky for social apps/spyware posing as an operating system on my machine, thank you very much. I realize that you do and things look different there to some degree. I do. But then it becomes apples and oranges. They're both fruit but they are not the same.

I have so much stuff in my P5 runtime/content folder that it takes forever to load anyway, so I just open it, open the library I want, and go to the bathroom, fridge or get coffee. By then it's generally ready. I just adapt to it really.

And when I do try to open another one like for here or elsewhere where I do promos, sometimes that takes just as long to open as the big one. Sometimes not. Personal experience. Differences in machines, etc.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 04:49:41 PM
Just to be clear here I am running Win 10 Pro 64 bit as my OS

I am now using Poser 11

 I do not and will not use DSON or Genesis figures.

My choice

Others may have different results
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 16, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
Oh, yes...I did go to DAZ and they no longer have the read me HTML page there for you to look at for her or maybe not any of them any more. They are included in the Support folder however and you can open them in there and see the file structure of how it should look in your runtime. There never was any instructions on how to load it in Poser - just the file set up, which if you're familiar with that, then yes it's very helpful.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 04:57:47 PM
Again, this is why should company B write instructions for company A when they want you to use their software exclusively?

It's been a long time since I did install V4 like from 2005 or 2006, so no I don't remember what it says.

I was told not to load anything to my most recent Poser version runtime but leave it as is. That is from PP 2010 on. At that time I had all my stuff in my Poser 5 Runtime, when you could do that. So, I attached my Poser 5 runtime to the libraries but I didn't strip out the actual scripts and all. In spite of that, it worked fine mostly up until when I recently rebuilt my pc. I did not do it as dR said to do it by selecting the "Traditional" installation. I used the "Optimal" installation because that is also what I was told by Poser Help Desk several times. Use the UAC files in the Public folders.

Now Poser says it can't find the python script to write morphs - even though I stripped all the python scripts and dlls out of my P5 runtime and put what I did need into the PP2014 actual runtime for the scripts (product python scripts). I can't use the Cloth Room and dynamic cloth, likely for the same reason. So I have to back it all up, blow it away and start over using the traditional install and appended content folders with all my other stuff - including P5 old 'runtime' that's now a content folder only. But that's my particular problem and may not be anyone else's or it is. I don't know.

No I won't use that steaming pile of horse-pucky for social apps/spyware posing as an operating system on my machine, thank you very much. I realize that you do and things look different there to some degree. I do. But then it becomes apples and oranges. They're both fruit but they are not the same.

I have so much stuff in my P5 runtime/content folder that it takes forever to load anyway, so I just open it, open the library I want, and go to the bathroom, fridge or get coffee. By then it's generally ready. I just adapt to it really.

And when I do try to open another one like for here or elsewhere where I do promos, sometimes that takes just as long to open as the big one. Sometimes not. Personal experience. Differences in machines, etc.


Tis all good, having done this multiple times on multiple upgrades it is something I remember and since we too have been playing with Poser since version 5 we are on the same page.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 16, 2016, 05:08:43 PM
Again, this is why should company B write instructions for company A when they want you to use their software exclusively?

It's been a long time since I did install V4 like from 2005 or 2006, so no I don't remember what it says.

I was told not to load anything to my most recent Poser version runtime but leave it as is. That is from PP 2010 on. At that time I had all my stuff in my Poser 5 Runtime, when you could do that. So, I attached my Poser 5 runtime to the libraries but I didn't strip out the actual scripts and all. In spite of that, it worked fine mostly up until when I recently rebuilt my pc. I did not do it as dR said to do it by selecting the "Traditional" installation. I used the "Optimal" installation because that is also what I was told by Poser Help Desk several times. Use the UAC files in the Public folders.

Now Poser says it can't find the python script to write morphs - even though I stripped all the python scripts and dlls out of my P5 runtime and put what I did need into the PP2014 actual runtime for the scripts (product python scripts). I can't use the Cloth Room and dynamic cloth, likely for the same reason. So I have to back it all up, blow it away and start over using the traditional install and appended content folders with all my other stuff - including P5 old 'runtime' that's now a content folder only. But that's my particular problem and may not be anyone else's or it is. I don't know.

No I won't use that steaming pile of horse-pucky for social apps/spyware posing as an operating system on my machine, thank you very much. I realize that you do and things look different there to some degree. I do. But then it becomes apples and oranges. They're both fruit but they are not the same.

I have so much stuff in my P5 runtime/content folder that it takes forever to load anyway, so I just open it, open the library I want, and go to the bathroom, fridge or get coffee. By then it's generally ready. I just adapt to it really.

And when I do try to open another one like for here or elsewhere where I do promos, sometimes that takes just as long to open as the big one. Sometimes not. Personal experience. Differences in machines, etc.


Tis all good just reporting what I find in Win 10 and so far I can still do the same things as before I just needed to go about it a different way to get it to register and now that it does I am good.

This is just an informational note

Oh by the way I do not have this system connected to the web at all  ... so no additional horse pucky gumming up the works.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 02:10:57 PM
Going to make a few final from me (that is) informational comments

One: Win10 Pro 64 bit

Two: Poser 11 64 bit

Three: Having used Poser since version 5, technically 4 but that was boot leg, and up and having ran external runtimes since version 6 and having tried to install V4 and M4 plus morphs in other locations only to be told that it must be installed in the default exe location. Previous experience.

Four: Have been using external runtimes since version 6 due to the opening and load up times of Poser when all content is in one location, it is a difference between mere minutes to 10's of minutes.
Poser has to look at and load all folders and if all is in one place and you have GB's of content it will take a while.
With external runtimes it is only loading the last runtime you had opened, all your other attached runtimes are still there and accessible, Poser didn't have to load all that content just to open.
Considering that I tend to work in a multitude of styles, from Anime, Manga, Toon, Portrait and so forth it make sense for me to have multiple runtimes with my content broken out in that manner. If one focuses on one style then yes my method is silly. I do not dispute that for one minute.

Five: Why wouldn't one read the manual from the developers in regards to any issues loading content? Were they that insolent to think that no one would use third party content or heaven forbid legacy content?

Six: Went to third party content sites, only answers for those who use Win 7, nothing for those using Win 10. Went to SmithMicro same results. No definitive answers except if you feel capable of editing the UAC settings. Seriously ... I can barely walk across the street chewing gum let alone edit system files.

So by application of my "non-Aristotilian Logic which is something like non-Euclidian geometries" (possibly means I should read that tale by HPL The Dreams in the Witch House)

... and a touch of creative thinking or intuitive leap I solved my problems for the Win 10 Pro 64 install.


So for those who have question about a Win 10 64 bit install of Poser 11

I will share my findings, other questions for other operating systems I have no clue.

And thus ends my response in this thread on this particular topic

We are now moving on to bigger and better things .. test render of one character, hair, and clothing .......... 10 seconds .... really what the hell


Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 17, 2016, 02:42:51 PM
@ Jherrith:  Out-freakin-STANDING
McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 03:38:41 PM
Which by extension means I now understand your previous questions


Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 05:21:27 PM
Which by extension means I now understand your previous questions

That's great.

It's been like a what 800 hours plus or minus of labor pains to give birth to it? :fainting: 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
@ Jherrith:  Out-freakin-STANDING man! 

@ Fafnir - the one bit I can offer is V4 is probably ok.  That error is for a character set.  The name of the item not found has a pz2 extension.  That says a morph delta to me.   You should be able to point Poser to the first one, and Poser should find the rest.
You just need to know where the morphs are.
HIH
McG.   :java:

Might I point out here that:

Only five people have posted in this thread, you, J, dR, me and Aelin. Fafnir has not ever posted in this thread. There is no reason why he would see your answer here. You don't know all the details of his problem and neither do I entirely, but I know enough to know it's not a matter of finding the morphs. It's rather convoluted in actuality.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 17, 2016, 05:52:35 PM
Ok, want me to remove the @ then?  That one tidbit sas just one I've seen a lot through the years.  I'll  fix the  post.

OK, done.   :Hi5:   :o)
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
That's great.

It's been like a what 800 hours plus or minus of labor pains to give birth to it? :fainting: 


Yes indeed ... although I decided not to count :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
Exactly which is why I started my post with the details of my system.

I do understand that others are not running the same OS or using the same software.

If one is running something else, they shall have different results.

These are the results of direct observation on my current system and derivatives from previous installs.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
Do whatever you like with it McG - only explaining that if someone hasn't posted in a thread and checked the box below the Reply box that says "Notify me of relplies" they won't see it.

Aside from the fact it's not a simple problem in that particular case.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 06:09:10 PM

Yes indeed ... although I decided not to count :tearlaugh:

Only a woman who has given birth would appreciate the simile, I think. :tearlaugh: 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 06:10:41 PM
@ Jherrith:  Out-freakin-STANDING
McG.   :java:


I was blown away to say the least seriously a V4 character, with clothing, hair and textures, believe it or not stock lighting

 10 seconds

All I can say is what did I do wrong
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 06:14:48 PM
Only a woman who has given birth would appreciate the simile, I think. :tearlaugh: 

Indeed only one of my three sisters has shared such details with me and yes, we do know it is ... shall we say ... not pleasant ... and that is downplaying what you as ladies go through giving birth.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
Yeah, it's like being turned inside out, over, under, sideways and down. Definitely worse than a root canal but that's a close second. Or moving residence and all that goes with it. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Yeah, it's like being turned inside out, over, under, sideways and down. Definitely worse than a root canal but that's a close second. Or moving residence and all that goes with it. 

So I have heard, and considering that I was shall we say late in exiting ... quite certain it was nothing at all like a walk in the park.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 06:36:07 PM
I was blown away to say the least seriously a V4 character, with clothing, hair and textures, believe it or not stock lighting

 10 seconds

All I can say is what did I do wrong


Try rendering that big fig tree now. Even with shadows on they render fast. That's why I put so many of them in my swamp picture....because I could. Otherwise I never would have done that image before on my old gc which was a 460 GTX. I have a 760 GTX now. What a difference! I think that swamp image took about a minute maybe to render with all those trees and the water on my machine - which is nothing like yours.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 06:37:34 PM
So I have heard, and considering that I was shall we say late in exiting ... quite certain it was nothing at all like a walk in the park.

Nope, likely not. By that time all you can think is "Get OUT...now! Please!"
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 17, 2016, 06:54:34 PM
I was blown away to say the least seriously a V4 character, with clothing, hair and textures, believe it or not stock lighting

 10 seconds

All I can say is what did I do wrong
:java:
Stormbringer is behaving like a super putt should now.  I'm happy for you 😊!!!

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 06:56:37 PM

Try rendering that big fig tree now. Even with shadows on they render fast. That's why I put so many of them in my swamp picture....because I could. Otherwise I never would have done that image before on my old gc which was a 460 GTX. I have a 760 GTX now. What a difference! I think that swamp image took about a minute maybe to render with all those trees and the water on my machine - which is nothing like yours.

We did and it certainly whined

6 hours on the new system

and which considering my XP box originally was 30 hours

although to be precise these were with high quality settings, on both systems.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 07:07:03 PM
We did and it certainly whined

6 hours on the new system

and which considering my XP box originally was 30 hours

although to be precise these were with high quality settings, on both systems.

It's when you're using IDL lights that render times go through the roof. That's the problem not the settings. IDL lighting calculates all those highlight points (the red dots) before it even starts rendering and that is what can take hours. But if you want to use IDL lights then expect long render times. I'd rather use IBL lights myself, or well it depends on the effect I want. I've been playing with the IBL lights in the PP 2014 content Lights recently and some of them are pretty cool with a little adjusting here and there.

HDR-AO lights will take awhile too if you've got the AO cranked up or DOF or any of that stuff.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
Granted there was not only a tree with serious foliage, a character, hair and clothing, plus two birds and such tidbits


As mentioned 6 hr 50 mn
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 17, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
It's when you're using IDL lights that render times go through the roof. That's the problem not the settings. IDL lighting calculates all those highlight points (the red dots) before it even starts rendering and that is what can take hours. But if you want to use IDL lights then expect long render times. I'd rather use IBL lights myself, or well it depends on the effect I want. I've been playing with the IBL lights in the PP 2014 content Lights recently and some of them are pretty cool with a little adjusting here and there.

Which is what I have learned from you and McGrandpa the IDL lights are rubbish basically they are not suited for outdoor scenes
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 17, 2016, 09:49:27 PM
Which is what I have learned from you and McGrandpa the IDL lights are rubbish basically they are not suited for outdoor scenes
Close enough! :Hi5:

McG.   :java:

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 17, 2016, 11:00:50 PM
Nope because the light has to be in an enclosed space where it's bouncing off things and outside well, it's all over the place and there are many, many different things affecting it. Different inside - yup.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 18, 2016, 11:13:14 AM
I thought we already agreed on that Ray!  LOL!   But yep.  OH one other thing that is very cool when ya use IDL in an enclosed space with other objects, you can use em as light emitters.  I hear even people figures emit light now.  :)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 18, 2016, 11:14:57 AM
Granted there was not only a tree with serious foliage, a character, hair and clothing, plus two birds and such tidbits


As mentioned 6 hr 50 mn

I'd be scared to pit my ol rig against Stormbringer.   I'd be eating rubber dust!  LOL!

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 18, 2016, 11:40:52 AM
I thought we already agreed on that Ray!  LOL!   But yep.  OH one other thing that is very cool when ya use IDL in an enclosed space with other objects, you can use em as light emitters.  I hear even people figures emit light now.  :)
McG.

Was just re-iterating why to J. That's all. Well yes, everything is a 'light emitter' in the sense of calculating highlights and shadows. How the light reflects or refracts off of it.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 18, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
And here's a bit about AO lighting:

In computer graphics, ambient occlusion is a shading and rendering technique used to calculate how exposed each point in a scene is to ambient lighting. The interior of a tube is typically more occluded (and hence darker) than the exposed outer surfaces, and the deeper you go inside the tube, the more occluded (and darker) the lighting becomes. Ambient occlusion can be seen as an accessibility value that is calculated for each surface point. In scenes with open sky this is done by estimating the amount of visible sky for each point, while in indoor environments only objects within a certain radius are taken into account and the walls are assumed to be the origin of the ambient light. The result is a diffuse, non-directional shading effect that casts no clear shadows but that darkens enclosed and sheltered areas and can affect the rendered image's overall tone. It is often used as a post-processing effect.

This is why like IDL light it takes a long time to render - the calculations.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 18, 2016, 12:06:49 PM
Yup.  And, AO helped get rid of the "nuclear nostrils" we had in early Posers.   My use of AO lately has apparently been the cause of some rather odd looking phenomena.  So for the time being I turn it off, and that stuff quits.  I may have it all wrong, but doing a simplified process of elimination is where I got rid of the mesh showing thru, and light area where two things meet like a hand on thigh or foot on ground; and it should be dark there.  Annoying, aggravating stuff.  But not serious.  Ignorance meets reality stuff.
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 18, 2016, 06:13:06 PM
You want a real scare on render times check this shot out.

One character, clothing, hair, IBL AO light, no background

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 18, 2016, 06:14:11 PM
See a problem with the hair after the fact but still 6.180 seconds ... seriously
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 18, 2016, 06:15:51 PM
I'd be scared to pit my ol rig against Stormbringer.   I'd be eating rubber dust!  LOL!

McG.   :java:

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 18, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
This one only took 2 hours with high quality setting engaged.

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 18, 2016, 07:16:36 PM
6 seconds.  About the only thing I can render that fast is a blank screen!   How many cores is that?  6 or 8?
I got this picture in my mind.  A Toyota Supra 2 liter 4 cyl HEMI on one side the Christmas Tree, on the other side is a 1000 cu in HEMI Elephant outputting 5000 HP in a AA Fuel Dragster.   You could spot me 1/8 mile in the quarter and blow me off the track 3/4 the way down!  LOL!   :D
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 18, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
8 cores

4.0 GHz
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 19, 2016, 03:22:07 AM
Oooh SHINY!   Two computers in one!    :Hi5:    :crazysmile: :winks: :smile: :yippee: :pervy: :icu:

Sounds like fun to me!

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 19, 2016, 03:53:13 AM
It usually takes my system longer to beat up on the HD's looking for and gathering up its needs for rendering the scene than it does for yours to DO it.  And then I get to watch mine render it.  Watching grass grow, paint dry, the life cycle of a bug.  Long time.   :OMFG:

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 19, 2016, 05:37:23 AM
Oooh SHINY!   Two computers in one!    :Hi5:    :crazysmile: :winks: :smile: :yippee: :pervy: :icu:

Sounds like fun to me!

McG.   :java:

Technically and figuratively, on the inside of my case I have velcroed a 2 TB external and plugged it into the USB 3.1 port on the MB for doing the system backups
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 19, 2016, 05:41:46 AM
It usually takes my system longer to beat up on the HD's looking for and gathering up its needs for rendering the scene than it does for yours to DO it.  And then I get to watch mine render it.  Watching grass grow, paint dry, the life cycle of a bug.  Long time.   :OMFG:

McG.

Well, since you an Cookie showed me the errors of my render and light settings indeed things are much faster.

The bonus of now running a 64 bit version of Poser on a 64 bit OS helps considerably too.

Incidentally I recall you saying there was issues with file associations via that UAC folder and Poser, which might have been similar to what I was seeing when I was installing the legacy characters V4, M4 and so forth. Once installed they did not show up in the Poser default runtime in their folder. I did figure out the solution to that if you are interested.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 19, 2016, 05:47:34 AM
That should make it easier!  And, should also make it harder to misplace it!

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 19, 2016, 05:54:48 AM
Indeed :tearlaugh:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 19, 2016, 06:09:50 AM
Well, since you an Cookie showed me the errors of my render and light settings indeed things are much faster.

The bonus of now running a 64 bit version of Poser on a 64 bit OS helps considerably too.

Incidentally I recall you saying there was issues with file associations via that UAC folder and Poser, which might have been similar to what I was seeing when I was installing the legacy characters V4, M4 and so forth. Once installed they did not show up in the Poser default runtime in their folder. I did figure out the solution to that if you are interested.


Sure I'm interested!  Although  I recall mentioning two issues:
1) UAC restricting a Users ability to write stuff to a HD and it *STICK*!
2) Defender  putting a Users stuff in PROGRAM DATA somewhere because Windows is being told that stuff is unsafe.  Poser never looks in there.
I first ran into this in Vista.  The business and government users had this to deal with since NT I think.
McG. 
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 19, 2016, 11:28:18 PM
Another thing I learned and do USE to my benefit is to get the DAZ Figure Installers and Figure Updaters to work, using the Runtime of your choice, is to have a file named "Poser.exe" in the top folder where you want the installer to put the Figure and Morphs.   I also discovered by experience that having a PoserPro.exe won't work.  The DAZ stuff is expecting Poser.exe.   That file can be a text file named Poser.exe, the installer check is a simple name check.
If I go to install say M4 in a new folder, and I forget the Poser.exe, I get the warning and exit of the installer.  Shucks. 
But J., I am not encouraging ANYONE to do what I do.   After all I do refuse to install content to the programs own folder set.  I don't think of scripts, pythons, to be "content".  ALL scripts, pythons go into the Programs own folder set.  There is no other place the program executes code from.  Code, like scripts and pythons. 

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 19, 2016, 11:30:18 PM
Well, since you an Cookie showed me the errors of my render and light settings indeed things are much faster.

The bonus of now running a 64 bit version of Poser on a 64 bit OS helps considerably too.

Incidentally I recall you saying there was issues with file associations via that UAC folder and Poser, which might have been similar to what I was seeing when I was installing the legacy characters V4, M4 and so forth. Once installed they did not show up in the Poser default runtime in their folder. I did figure out the solution to that if you are interested.

J.? 

McG.   :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 20, 2016, 12:42:14 AM
Another thing I learned and do USE to my benefit is to get the DAZ Figure Installers and Figure Updaters to work, using the Runtime of your choice, is to have a file named "Poser.exe" in the top folder where you want the installer to put the Figure and Morphs.   I also discovered by experience that having a PoserPro.exe won't work.  The DAZ stuff is expecting Poser.exe.   That file can be a text file named Poser.exe, the installer check is a simple name check.
If I go to install say M4 in a new folder, and I forget the Poser.exe, I get the warning and exit of the installer.  Shucks. 
But J., I am not encouraging ANYONE to do what I do.   After all I do refuse to install content to the programs own folder set.  I don't think of scripts, pythons, to be "content".  ALL scripts, pythons go into the Programs own folder set.  There is no other place the program executes code from.  Code, like scripts and pythons. 

McG.   :java:

Poser.exe is the executable file inside the program folder that opens it up and loads it.

Why would anyone who only uses Poser use a DAZ installer at all? It installs everything in a Content folder that sits in your runtime and your runtime can't see it even if you did install it there because Poser doesn't have a Content library folder.

We use zips. They unload to the right places in whatever 'runtime' we pick to load them into..unless they're packed for DAZ in that Content folder which has the Runtime folder inside of it. Then you still have to remove it from there and put them in the right places.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: dRaCX on July 20, 2016, 09:13:38 AM
Creating ANY text file with a false .exe extension is a "Hack" that comes with it's share of troubles. I for one CAN NOT endorse such actions due to the possible harm that can result from it! It would be wise when discussing any kind of hack, to do it outside the public eye.

-Reader BEWARE!-
creating txt files with false extensions are methods used to create viruses! Do so at your own risk!
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Aelin on July 20, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
I have already changed .txt in .pz2 or .mc6. But before the save of the document, and because I'm working in my own codes; or trying to change an mc6 in a pz2to use them at least in part between Poser and DS.
But an .exe :thud: The only terme "virus" is enough for me :psycho:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 20, 2016, 10:52:29 AM
I have already changed .txt in .pz2 or .mc6. But before the save of the document, and because I'm working in my own codes; or trying to change an mc6 in a pz2to use them at least in part between Poser and DS.
But an .exe :thud: The only terme "virus" is enough for me :psycho:


It's okay to change the .txt documents of .mc6's to .pz2 . That is acceptable to Poser.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 20, 2016, 04:03:44 PM
Poser.exe is the executable file inside the program folder that opens it up and loads it.

NOT in any of the *EXTERNAL* runtimes.  Ever.  Not even once.   OH my GOD!  I don't even USE "Internal" Runtimes.  It does exist, but I do not populate it.  Poser creates and uses it for its own use as needed.  *I* don't use it.  I do not have the space to give over to that silliness!
 
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Why would anyone who only uses Poser use a DAZ installer at all? It installs everything in a Content folder that sits in your runtime and your runtime can't see it even if you did install it there because Poser doesn't have a Content library folder.

OK, try to install and use any Gen 4 Figure from DAZ without it.  See Screencap.  Those are the Figure Updaters, those look for the name Poser.exe, they are the ONLY reason I put a Poser.exe in ANY EXTERNAL RUNTIME.   They are what I was calling "installers" in lump sum.   Another note;  I did say you CAN simply rename a text file to Poser.exe and use that.  I haven't done that, others who have been active in alt.binaries.3d.poser have said they do.  For me,  it is much easier to just copy/paste a regular Poser.exe that is less than 30 megs over.  I think the only externals that need it are the ones where the DAZ Gen 4 Figures are installed. 

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We use zips. They unload to the right places in whatever 'runtime' we pick to load them into..unless they're packed for DAZ in that Content folder which has the Runtime folder inside of it. Then you still have to remove it from there and put them in the right places.

You did NOT always use ZIPS to install DAZ content Ray.   DAZ didn't even go all ZIP until sometime in 2014.   Some of the bitrock installers (EXE) I have are dated in 2015.

McG.

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Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 20, 2016, 04:05:28 PM
Creating ANY text file with a false .exe extension is a "Hack" that comes with it's share of troubles. I for one CAN NOT endorse such actions due to the possible harm that can result from it! It would be wise when discussing any kind of hack, to do it outside the public eye.

-Reader BEWARE!-
creating txt files with false extensions are methods used to create viruses! Do so at your own risk!

DUDE!  Thanks for your judgement call!  I do not endorse it.  I am saying that IS what some people DO.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 20, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
If you're not advocating anyone use this method then don't post it in a public forum. Period.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 20, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
Looks like you got something to beat on me about now Ray.

Enjoy it!

McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: sidherose on July 20, 2016, 04:56:15 PM
If you think I enjoy this, think again.

If you think I care if you complain about me or tell the world I'm a bitch, I don't care.

But don't leave this site open to creating problems for people who take your advice on anything. You had the nerve to label both me and dRaCX as 'disseminating FUD' and you're the one doing it. It's rather a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

There's a right way and a wrong way to do anything. I already told J why he couldn't  see V4 after he loaded it and I do believe I was correct and he fixed it already. So whatever you had to say after was redundant and a 'hack'.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 20, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
Wow heaven forbid I take an evening off to read a new book.

Mercy ...

Nonetheless I did figure out how to get the legacy figures to show in the default runtime , which was the original reason of my whining.

That is after I got past the compatibility program install issue.

Got it to install to the defaults folders. Wasn't visible ... damn ... found that I could create a new folder within the default Poser 11 character runtime ... did so ... found the missing files in the UAC thing ... copied them and then pasted them in the folder I created and then refreshed the folder ... viola ... now they be accessible from the runtime tree.

Repeated for the needed folders in the pose folder and so forth .... and all is working as intended.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Fafnir on July 20, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
glad you got things  fixed J  without  useing some  bad  advice  that  would  have  messed  Stormbringer  up  bad
i got  poser  10 working  just  fine  now  thanks  to  help  from dRaCX  who Does Know what  he  is  talking  about :Dragon: :java:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 21, 2016, 08:11:32 AM
New book?  cool!  I finished Ring World.  Now it simply begs picking up the rest of them!   Niven left off at an irritating spot.  Grrr!
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 21, 2016, 08:13:32 AM
I think there was a ton of Ring World inspired art that's come out the last 40 years.   And rip offs like HALO.   There we go, it's official now.  Do the honors J?

MCG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 21, 2016, 09:30:37 AM
 :drHiJack:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 21, 2016, 09:35:15 AM
As to starting a new book one of these days I will finish the others first before I crack the cover of the next one.

Case in point I started Conspirators of Gor and am fairly deep into it, the only problem is I am also reading a manga "Is it Wrong to Pick up Girls in a Dungeon", and read more in volume one of a series that DarkElf suggested Magic ex Libris: Libriomancer
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 21, 2016, 08:00:18 PM
Obscenity check ... loaded Cookie with hair and one of her skimpy swimsuit and the put in the Epiproctor in the scene

first render pass 3.7 seconds :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 21, 2016, 09:23:04 PM
are you posting these images anywhere J?
McG. :OMFG:
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 21, 2016, 09:39:08 PM
Not yet, have done no post work on any of them to finish any of the pics off, however now that I have got PS-CS2 working properly I should be able to start posting my first renders from Stormbringer starting tomorrow
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 21, 2016, 10:03:27 PM
Isn't PS CS2 the one Adobe offered for free a year or two ago?  YEP!  Just checked my archives, I created the folder for it January 19, 2013.  I wonder if the key even still works?  Anyways.  Enjoy!  :)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: Jherrith on July 21, 2016, 10:07:16 PM
Bought PS _ CS 2 when it first came out so my serial still works.

Have found a few apps don't like it but ah well, :sigh: ... it happens
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on July 21, 2016, 11:57:23 PM
There isn't that much difference between CS2 and CS4 except mine is the Extended, which does the 3D painting right on a model.  UNfortunately there is a paid for DAZ plugin which is now useless as DS3Advanced is not installed and that is what it worked with.  I might have gotten Poser to work with it long ago.  BUT, it WILL paint on .OBJ's so I"m cool.  :)
McG.
Title: Re: The Birth of Stormbringer!
Post by: McGrandpa on August 31, 2021, 06:15:56 AM
Hey J, I am still using the 5 year old ThermalTake SMART 750W 80Bronze+ PSU.  Basically same as your second one?  This had 3 variations, and I got the one with single 12v rail and version 2.41 whatsit rating.  This is where it's the 'SMART' one.   Anyway, since installing this PSU, no more problem with overloading the system.  I realized that these things are not really a fitting example for use of "branch circuit control" as in a residence needing many branches and ACB's.   The motherboard and all the PCIe components have their own power regulators on board.  The mobo especially.  So, I just gave IT 90 amps of clean juice to deal with as it sees fit.  IT likes it.