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Re: Bigfoot?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2014, 02:43:21 AM »
Not quite as previously stated I'm afraid. :-p

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Re: Bigfoot?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2014, 02:49:39 AM »
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Re: Bigfoot?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2014, 06:10:14 AM »
I am one of those who don't believe these stories are myths or made up fantasies. I believe they in fact have their basis in truthful observations and realities that although scarcely experienced by whites are common ocurrences to native Americans who have a much more intimate relationship with the natural world which the whites have lost. Frequently in historic literature you find indigenous peoples described as primitive, ignorant or uncivilised. Perhaps someday I will find what the word actually means instead of "not like us". As a youth I read Hawaii by James Michener more than once. Already a religious skeptic by the age of 10, the description of what was done to a happy and productive culture by the Christian missionaries was enough to put me over the edge to what would best be described as an angry agnostic. Unlike organised religions whose purpose is to indoctrinate, native culture lore is simply meant to inform and educate, leaving the individual to engage in first hand observation. A much more "spiritual" approach in my opinion.

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Re: Bigfoot?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2014, 06:24:06 AM »
Mmm someone who I can talk to. Would love to chat about all these stuff as you menthioned. Primative yes, as we have a tribe, The San people who are still primitive here. Lives in the bush, with loin cloths and hunt with bows. They were the first people here, when Jan Van Riebeeck came to Cape Town. And now they are being outcast by the other tribes as nothing. So yes, as we have 11 tribes and 11 languages, we do get them. Africa is a big continent and alot are still yet to be discovered.

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2014, 01:00:50 PM »
I am one of those who don't believe these stories are myths or made up fantasies. I believe they in fact have their basis in truthful observations and realities that although scarcely experienced by whites are common ocurrences to native Americans who have a much more intimate relationship with the natural world which the whites have lost. Frequently in historic literature you find indigenous peoples described as primitive, ignorant or uncivilised. Perhaps someday I will find what the word actually means instead of "not like us". As a youth I read Hawaii by James Michener more than once. Already a religious skeptic by the age of 10, the description of what was done to a happy and productive culture by the Christian missionaries was enough to put me over the edge to what would best be described as an angry agnostic. Unlike organised religions whose purpose is to indoctrinate, native culture lore is simply meant to inform and educate, leaving the individual to engage in first hand observation. A much more "spiritual" approach in my opinion.

I went through a period of reading Michener and others who wrote the same sort of books when I was a teen and kind of had the same reaction. I decided there was something wrong with the dogma I was hearing when I was 8. But the thing that really set me off was reading "Aztec" by Jennings (a most excellent book, btw) about what happened to the Aztecs when Hernan Cortez came with his armada. It opened my eyes bigtime to the skewed versions of history we are taught in grade-school and beyond. You'd have thought the explorers were some kind of saints, the way they told it in 5th grade. Never mind Christopher Columbus and what he did to the tribes he encountered.

I draw a distinction between being 'religious' and being 'spiritual'. You can be the latter without being the former. Yes indeed, we westerners  living in our big cities have most certainly lost touch with the natural world - unless we make an effort to visit it and appreciate it for what it is. That's why I went to a Native American site for the stories, because what you say is true regarding their stories ABM...all native people's stories. They're events and relations passed down between generations and actual experiences. It's a crime how they are treated. My great-great grandmother was Cherokee but listed on the census as 'white' and my mother never even knew her great grandma was Native American. No one would admit to it. :(

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Re: Bigfoot?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2014, 01:42:55 PM »
Enjoyed your response Ray. If you really want to get good and furiously mad read what happened to the Catar Christians at the behest of the pope at the time in the 14th century. All in the name of property acquisition was that atrocity.

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2014, 02:39:54 PM »
I know all about the 'Albigensian Crusade', the Cathars and Montsegur, etc. I'm afraid. :( Some of those people are my ancestors - the lords and ladies of Foix. When I was about 35 years old, I was 'accosted' by a vision one day. I saw a young girl and her father running through the woods at night (which are I later discovered through a friend that now lives in Montsegur, on the side of the pog where the fortress sits). They were terrified. And then I saw a group of knights with torches on horseback, and I 'heard' one word 'Albigensians'. That was it. It was like the literal 'bolt out of the blue', and maybe only lasted for about 10-15 seconds. I had absolutely NO idea what it was about at that time. I didn't learn until about 20+ years later when I met this friend in England. I didn't even know until two years ago I was related to these people, and found out when I researched my family tree on Ancestry.com.

I'd go on about other things I learned while researching all of that, but.... Just go to the link below and read the italicized stuff at the top. This is a Jesuit site, so what it's saying here is a matter of fact. You can say what you will about the Jesuits, but they are scholars and they know their stuff.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/donatconst.asp 

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Re: Bigfoot?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2014, 03:54:46 PM »
Checking it out. Thanks. Any chance I can convert you into a cryptozoologist?

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2014, 04:54:44 PM »
Checking it out. Thanks. Any chance I can convert you into a cryptozoologist?

Lol...everything's tied together, you know. Probably not but if it crosses my path in looking at other things, then yeah I'll look into it. I like to have the big picture. Well, as big as you can get. Trouble is, the more you learn, the more you know you don't know.

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2014, 11:42:37 PM »
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