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Re: On The Dock
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2017, 12:40:22 PM »
Fantastic, and just what I needed.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2017, 01:10:06 PM »
I heard the newest version of Blender now has the capability to switch from the European way of doing things to the US way, which should make it somewhat easier for us here to use it. That is now you could have right clicks for doing things than left clicks for doing things.
Blender updates on average about once every two months. The only thing I have not seen available with it is a 2D image editing capability. It pretty much does everything else already. It supports all the different modeling techniques I know of. It does a great job with UV mapping. It has a shader node system that you can use to create shaders native to Blender. It can be used for stills and animations, and by that I mean it is a staging application similar to Poser and DAZ Studio. It has Joint Editing, Armature Rigging, and WeightMapping. It can be used to build video games. And there's a whole slew of other features it handles. I fully expect that soon it will have the image editing features as well. Thing is, because of all it has and does, it becomes quite difficult to navigate; and that makes it harder to work with.


On the other hand, Wings 3D is dedicated to being a modeler and UV mapping program, with very intuitive tools and a fairly short learning curve. Of all the modelers there are that I have tried, I have only been able to learn and make a model in Wings 3D and export it within one hour after first opening it.All I had to do is learn about how the menus work, and I was off and running with it. For a free program, that is quite an accomplishment! For that reason, I highly recommend it!
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Re: On The Dock
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2017, 01:23:49 PM »
Wow! 2.1.5? How did I miss the release of that one? Guess I gotta go get the latest version. Yes it is much easier than Hexagon, and easier than most other modelers as well including Blender, Sculptris, etc. If you learn the keyboard shortcuts and how to switch from one menu to another while in a menu, it gets even easier.


Let me find some YouTube Tutorial instructors I use, and I will give you links to their stuff. I suggest subscribing to their channels, hit that bell and tick the check box to receive notification when they upload new videos.


Even with all I know about Wings 3D, there are still plenty of thing to learn, and it is really fun.
I was surprised when I saw the date here ; I looked to see if I had the same version than the guy who made the tutorial for "le quai".

Sculptris I have it, but it's more to use like relaxation balls, when I'm cranky.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2017, 02:23:52 PM »
Blender updates on average about once every two months. The only thing I have not seen available with it is a 2D image editing capability. It pretty much does everything else already. It supports all the different modeling techniques I know of. It does a great job with UV mapping. It has a shader node system that you can use to create shaders native to Blender. It can be used for stills and animations, and by that I mean it is a staging application similar to Poser and DAZ Studio. It has Joint Editing, Armature Rigging, and WeightMapping. It can be used to build video games. And there's a whole slew of other features it handles. I fully expect that soon it will have the image editing features as well. Thing is, because of all it has and does, it becomes quite difficult to navigate; and that makes it harder to work with.


On the other hand, Wings 3D is dedicated to being a modeler and UV mapping program, with very intuitive tools and a fairly short learning curve. Of all the modelers there are that I have tried, I have only been able to learn and make a model in Wings 3D and export it within one hour after first opening it.All I had to do is learn about how the menus work, and I was off and running with it. For a free program, that is quite an accomplishment! For that reason, I highly recommend it!

:groucho: That's the silliest thing I ever hoid, as he would say.

Why would you expect any of the high-end modeling packages to do 2D image editing? None of them do. Blender is now 4th place in that list of "Industry Standard" modeling packages. If you wanted to add something like that to those, expect even more menus. VUE has a lot of menus too, but not as many as say Blender, ZBrush, Maya and 3DSMax - both of the later which you have to go to school to learn.

That's what Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro are for or even GIMP if it's still around. You can even do UV mapping in Photoshop.

You can do renders in all of those high-end packages even Blender, and very nice ones.  That's why there are different software programs. To do different things. 

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Re: On The Dock
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2017, 06:30:33 PM »
:groucho: That's the silliest thing I ever hoid, as he would say.

Why would you expect any of the high-end modeling packages to do 2D image editing? None of them do. Blender is now 4th place in that list of "Industry Standard" modeling packages. If you wanted to add something like that to those, expect even more menus. VUE has a lot of menus too, but not as many as say Blender, ZBrush, Maya and 3DSMax - both of the later which you have to go to school to learn.

That's what Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro are for or even GIMP if it's still around. You can even do UV mapping in Photoshop.

You can do renders in all of those high-end packages even Blender, and very nice ones.  That's why there are different software programs. To do different things.
You're not telling me anything I don't already know, and as for Blender, I was not advocating for it to have image editing added. I really don't want to see that happen. I have been using it since 2.60 and have seen quite a lot of changes and additions. What I was saying is that considering how often it upgrades, it would not surprise me if such was added. Afterall it is an open source application, and there are people all around the planet that contribute to its development. This of course can be both good and bad. The bad is that you nor I will ever even have a chance to learn all there is to know about it. The good is that it continues to improve and at a fairly fast pace.


Now about Gimp, yes it is still around, and I have one of the latest versions. I would say it is comparable to PhotoShop in quality and usefulness. Mayhaps not completely, but I have seen some really awesome stuff done with it. And one thing it is not doing is making the latest version follow the trend we have seen with PhotoShop. That's why I decided not to go for PhotoShop, and I got Gimp instead.
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Re: On The Dock
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2017, 07:01:15 PM »
Ah, then I misapprended the jist of what you were saying there.

Is GIMP a full screen program yet? Last I used it was many years ago and it was just a little thing with not much to it. Frankly it drove me nuts. But sometimes that doesn't take much.

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2017, 08:59:39 PM »
My first version of Gimp was already pretty indepth, and quite good competitively with PhotoShop. In fact at the time I was so overwhelmed with it that I eventually uninstalled it in favor of the more watered down PSP 7. The latest version has almost all the features that PhotoShop does and can use many of the same plugin types. I still am overwhelmed but this time I plan to keep it and upgrade it from time to time.


I just watched a tutorial showing how to use two renders from a DAZ Studio scene, each just at a slightly different camera angle (to simulate stereoscopic vision), then opening Gimp and importing both images and editing them to create an image meant to be viewed through colored 3D glasses. I plan to give it a try, because the video makes it really simple to do. Will need to find a pair of those glasses though. Of course that is not so big a problem that I cannot at least try the technique without them.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2017, 09:42:02 PM »
My first version of Gimp was already pretty indepth, and quite good competitively with PhotoShop. In fact at the time I was so overwhelmed with it that I eventually uninstalled it in favor of the more watered down PSP 7. The latest version has almost all the features that PhotoShop does and can use many of the same plugin types. I still am overwhelmed but this time I plan to keep it and upgrade it from time to time.



GIMP may be equal to Photoshop as far as image editing software goes, but I don't think you've seen what CS5 and CS6 are capable of doing these days. It can create web-pages, perform repetitive actions over several images, paint on 3D models that you can import into it and lot more stuff.

PSP is up to version 9X now. I've not seen or used it, but I do know PSP 7 could do a few things better than Photoshop, plus you could create little animations with it if you have Animation Shop. 

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 03:09:13 AM »
GIMP may be equal to Photoshop as far as image editing software goes, but I don't think you've seen what CS5 and CS6 are capable of doing these days. It can create web-pages, perform repetitive actions over several images, paint on 3D models that you can import into it and lot more stuff.

PSP is up to version 9X now. I've not seen or used it, but I do know PSP 7 could do a few things better than Photoshop, plus you could create little animations with it if you have Animation Shop.
Not sure about all that can be done with the latest version of Gimp. I only use it to do things I've learned about it.


I have PSP 9, but not 9X, although I do have Animation Shop too. I have not used it yet though as I am not all that well educated in animation. I have so many applications that i use already and learning to use (to me) new ones winds up on the slow learning track. That is because I tend to want to cram on such things and I get burned out. So I purposefully put such things on that slow track to avoid that. Eventually I'll get to that.


I think Gimp actually can be used to do animations also, if I recall what I think I heard in that YouTube video correctly. He said you could use it to do a 3D animation you can watch using those glasses. Of course it may just be DAZ Studio that is used for that part of it, but it seems that would be really tedious if you had to edit every frame in say a few second animation at 25 to 30 frames per second. So it would seem that doing the actual animation in Gimp would be more desirable. Either that, or you do Batch Editing to make the processing go faster.
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