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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2017, 01:53:02 PM »
Before dinner, I read a bit on after the boot with an USB; I found finally some topics with this kind of pictures

Some people have the option of safe modeafter Parameters. Is it the way I could use if never... ?

I saw also a lot use in place the actualization of computer, but that remove applications from hard drive (and is only available if we have the installation CD?) :thud:  I guess that remove also all files inside runtimes of Poser and DS? I understood it will remove browser, which a bit annoying for preferences of sites, but I can do with that.
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2017, 02:14:27 PM »

Chiron is tryin to get all your stuff off disk before taking that step hun
just follow his help and we all cross our fingers for you

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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2017, 02:26:44 PM »
I just want to take news on that before to go further, to be a little more ready when the moment will come. Imagine a sieve, and the needed time to fix the holes  :(ROFLMAO: I must enter a maximum in brain before everything.
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2017, 02:31:28 PM »
We're guessing that the physical disk or the electronics in the laptop's hard drive has started to fail or is failing.  For this reason, no software fix is likely to help. 

Under these circumstances, it's best to save the files from your computer before exploring other possibilities.  If we're wrong, then all that has been wasted is some time.  If we're right, at least you'll still have all of the files that were on the laptop.

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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2017, 02:38:44 PM »
I just want to take news on that before to go further, to be a little more ready when the moment will come. Imagine a sieve, and the needed time to fix the holes  :(ROFLMAO: I must enter a maximum in brain before everything.

Ah, I see.  We're just trying to help you keep your work from being lost.

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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2017, 02:53:21 PM »
I know it's to help me.
It's just for the moment I don't understand how it's possible to reach files from that kind of 'blue screens'. Seems to me being a lot of "no trepassing" ways :panic: (fortunately it's not the case of our corridors to escape the nurse  :skellie: ).
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2017, 03:01:58 PM »
Aelin, are you perhaps neglecting your mailbox? :smile:

I agree 101% with rrkknight3: the less you tamper with your (presumably) faulty laptop, the greater the chances to recover most or all of your files. "Ex falso sequitur omne" used to say St. Augustin (speaking of Latin... :winks:) - you never know what to expect of a computer gone nuts - it might as well extend the damage.

And once more in perfect synch with rrkknight3: sometimes the software can perform magic, I agree, but if a couple of times I saw a wrong software damage the hardware, I never, ever, saw one fix it. Of course you may try, but it is much safer if you wait until your data are safely duplicated on a healthy drive.
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2017, 03:17:42 PM »
I know it's to help me.
It's just for the moment I don't understand how it's possible to reach files from that kind of 'blue screens'. Seems to me being a lot of "no trepassing" ways :panic: (fortunately it's not the case of our corridors to escape the nurse  :skellie: ).

The trick that we're going to use is to start the laptop not from the hard disk inside the laptop case but from another storage device.  It is possible to have an operating system like Windows on a USB stick.  And it's possible to ask the laptop to start up from the USB stick.  That's what this Windows PE thing that Chiron is describing -- another Windows like system that will be able to read any data that is still readable from the laptop's hard disk.

I realize that having these explanations in English rather than French may be making it harder to understand.  I initially tried to translate it to French.  When I translated what I had back to English, it seemed like .  I had a good laugh but I don't think that it would have helped.

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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2017, 04:17:21 PM »
Well, that's an idea: let's try in my rusty French - Aelin, please do the possible and the impossible to forgive me all those errors and to extract the meaning :smile:

Ç'est pas sûre lire tes fichiers avec un sistéme d'exploitation monté sur un disque dur compromis: il pourrait aggraver la situation et effacer encore plus de donées. Beucoup plus sûre serait-il les lire avec un autre sistéme d'exploitation indépendant, possiblement monté sur une clé USB, de façon qu'il ne faille pas de demontér le disque dur. Aussi on peut lire les donnée avec la CPU du laptop mais sans risque que le sistéme d'exploitation sur le disque dur compromis puisse faire quelquechose du mal.
IMO WinPE est précisément le systéme dont tu as besoin - le seul probléme est comme et d'oú le télechargér, mais j'ai eu une idée dont je t'ai écrit il y a quelques heures...

Er... forgive my French! :tearlaugh:
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2017, 05:00:34 PM »
French forgiven :winks: , like everybody here forgive to my English :psycho:

I know, I read your mail not far away. I saw tonight also the other laptop what I talked you. Identical finally, except of course it hasn't the same files that I made. So not so identical.

But with a hard drive damaged, and a new laptop which works barely with its W10, I'm not far away to give up everything. A part of what I have for job needs more than my new laptop can do (I don't talk of course of 3D, it's a lost hope). I made counts and I'm not ready to have money for an external, not to pay a W8.
And my present external will never be able to take in memory all the damaged HD can share - like it seems everything will come, even what I don't want save.
In fact, what I have discover with W10 it's a comp is only to serve like an object of decoration. Except maybe for big machines with many money.
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2017, 05:12:26 PM »
Chiron has gone to sleep as for both of you it's very late.  I can see how you feel trapped by circumstances, but I don't think you should give up.

Once we have a way to boot the old laptop, it's possible to select which files you want to copy a few at a time (as will fit on the device you already have) and put them on the new machine.

I'm pretty sure that with all of the Windows experience in the Attic we will be able to find a way to make W10 usable for you.

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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2017, 05:21:11 PM »
French forgiven :winks: , like everybody here forgive to my English :psycho:
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I know, I read your mail not far away. I saw tonight also the other laptop what I talked you. Identical finally, except of course it hasn't the same files that I made. So not so identical.
The software is not a problem, if the hardware is identical then you can 'transplant' the system - but I wouldn't do that before rescuing your files: the new system would certainly overwrite them. And if the current hard drive is faulty transplanting the system would do no good - in that case xou'd need a new drive. Not so tragic indeed, they are cheap enough.

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But with a hard drive damaged, and a new laptop which works barely with its W10, I'm not far away to give up everything.

PLEASE DON'T!!! There is almost always another way out!
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A part of what I have for job needs more than my new laptop can do (I don't talk of course of 3D, it's a lost hope). I made counts and I'm not ready to have money for an external, not to pay a W8.
You have a lot of friends that could volunteer something each, don't you? :smile:
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And my present external will never be able to take in memory all the damaged HD can share - like it seems everything will come, even what I don't want save.
In fact, what I have discover with W10 it's a comp is only to serve like an object of decoration. Except maybe for big machines with many money.
No, you can chose the files you want to keep and discard the rest.
Yes, Win10 is mostly a decorative article - until you turn it on. Then it may become dangerous...

Mmm... bonne nuit...
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2017, 03:14:03 PM »
Night was with some computers in the corner of dreams. Then a solution was ready to be found... and alarm clock came :thud:

I tried this afternoon to look with a USB bootable, not to go until the end (I knew where turn off safely), but to see if I have all options. Answer is no, I haven't the safe mode (I saw some other people with same issue). The 2 other solutions are formatting and lost everything which is unuseful of course; or continue to save datas and only datas not programs.
So comp was turned off quickly, and put in a corner for the moment.
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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2017, 03:32:59 PM »
Night was with some computers in the corner of dreams. Then a solution was ready to be found... and alarm clock came :thud:

I tried this afternoon to look with a USB bootable, not to go until the end (I knew where turn off safely), but to see if I have all options. Answer is no, I haven't the safe mode (I saw some other people with same issue). The 2 other solutions are formatting and lost everything which is unuseful of course; or continue to save datas and only datas not programs.
So comp was turned off quickly, and put in a corner for the moment.

Your computer can use a bootable USB key.  See the attached image.  This BIOS configuration entry would be selected when booting from the USB key was tried.

BUT ... the first step would be to create a bootable USB key with a program running on your W10 system that you could use to boot the W8.1 system.  The one that Chiron was proposing was for this purpose, I'll bet.

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Re: Computer with W8.1 out
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2017, 04:18:53 PM »
Yes with a bootable USB (made from the W8.1 laptop from friend) I went in the BIOS, I changed first the order that just after the OS BOOT Manager (I thought it was important that one stayed in the same place, like a non movable chief). Of course, that hadn't worked.
So I changed again the order, and that time I saw different options after. But where I must find the possibily of safe mode, I haven't advanced options. It's just non existent. I don't know if it's because the health of disk, or if it's because it's just W8.1 installed with computer at the beginning (and consequently no key).
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